Discussion/rant about inspectors

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tirc83
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:27PM

lack of common sense.


I have just had a shot rejected for + + Model releases are only valid for the shoot date they were signed for. Please supply a model release that is specific to this shoot and date.


The shot depicts my grandson who I often shoot around 10 times per month (on different days).


Mindful of the new regs, I got my son to sign a new MR on 2nd Sept (marked + ongoing) and the rejected file was shot on 25th Sept.


Now if we had automatons inspecting this would be rightly rejected but given the fact we have people with the power to make informed judgements, I'm pretty annoyed with this particular one.


Please don't tell me I'll need 10 different MRs per month for the same person? Even by my maths that will be err over 100 per year! The  factor in that I have 10+ regular models in this position and you see the extent of the problem.
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:30PM
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FrankRamspott
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:36PM
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tirc83
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:39PM

Thanks for the support guys - appreciated


 
Mazdaguy03
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:41PM

From the FAQ thread on Model releases...


Q: Can I use a single release and just add new shoot dates to it each time?
A: You cannot add new dates to an old release. Not even if everyone signs it again. A new release should be created each shoot. You can use a small date range, so for example 'July 27-30th 2009' in the shoot description. However this has to be a small time frame, where 1 shoot extends over several days. You cannot use this to cover weeks or months of shooting.


 
shank_ali
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:43PM
Posted By tirc83:

Thanks for the support guys - appreciated




We ALL have problems from time to time with inspection decisions but posting a rant in the forum is not allowed.The new guidelines for model releases are clear and precise.Follow them and you should have no cause for complaint.
kelvinjay
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:47PM
The inspector here has merely complied with the policy that iStock has very clearly laid down. MRs can cover at the most a few days, not weeks. This is explicitly stated in several threads and in the new regulations.
tirc83
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:47PM

Sorry Shank but creating 1000 Mrs per year for 10 models is reasonable grounds for complaint IMO


Thank you Mazdaguy03 that's pretty clear. I'll just start on my mountain of paperwork ..


 
diane39
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:49PM
I don't think you're going to get much support on this. It's the right call given the new guidelines. With all the images inspectors process, we don't have any way of knowing that this is your grandson, and even if we did it wouldn't matter. A new release is required for every model at every shoot...the sooner everyone makes it part of their workflow when doing a shoot the sooner we can avoid these situations.
tirc83
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:49PM
Kelvinjay - then it's a crazy system that needs reassessing
tirc83
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:50PM
Thanks Diane39 - you are spot on - none at all.
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:53PM
I would contact support and ask for an exception to the new rule. And if they reject that, then yeah, you're going to have a mountain of MR on your desk.
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 1:56PM
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Box5
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:01PM

You have two choices: 1) play by the rules of the folks who own the playground or 2) take your ball and go play somewhere else.


I don't like it either but they have made it clear that this is non-negotable.


 


 
rogermexico
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:01PM

Posted By tirc83:
Kelvinjay - then it's a crazy system that needs reassessing


Its a system that we've been working towards implementing for a long time, and its essential to our new legal guarantee. It's not going to be reassessed. It's the way things are now. I know it means more work, and I know more work is frustrating, but this is the way it has to be.

(Edited on 2009-10-01 14:02:09 by rogermexico)
Jamesmcq24
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:16PM
While I don't do people photos, the policy makes sense to me. Imagine if you were a model and signed a release for a shoot. Next thing you know, that photographer could be following you around and taking photo after photo for months - and you'd be released!
kelvinjay
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:26PM
Posted By Jamesmcq24:
While I don't do people photos, the policy makes sense to me. Imagine if you were a model and signed a release for a shoot. Next thing you know, that photographer could be following you around and taking photo after photo for months - and you'd be released!



By that argument, even if the release was only valid for one day - the photographer could have a secret camera in the changing room and all those secret shots would be allowed because a release had been signed for that day. This is blatanly not how it works. So you can forget that argument.

(Edited on 2009-10-01 14:29:51 by kelvinjay)
Jamesmcq24
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Posted Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:37PM

Posted By kelvinjay:
Posted By Jamesmcq24:
While I don't do people photos, the policy makes sense to me. Imagine if you were a model and signed a release for a shoot. Next thing you know, that photographer could be following you around and taking photo after photo for months - and you'd be released!



By that argument, even if the release was only valid for one day - the photographer could have a secret camera in the changing room and all those secret shots would be allowed because a release had been signed for that day. This is blatanly not how it works. So you can forget that argument.


haha true enough, guess it's a good thing I dont shoot models :p

is the policy in place to ensure that permission is given for new shoots then? (i.e. what I originally said, but with legitimate shoots instead of un-wanted photos :p)

(Edited on 2009-10-01 14:38:52 by Jamesmcq24)
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