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jrsower
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Posted Sun Jan 9, 2005 8:06AM
For those of you that shoot...er, photograph models regularly...do you pay them? If so, how do you determine the amount?
bonniej
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Posted Sun Jan 9, 2005 9:05PM
The models that I shoot are happy with a few photos for their own portfolios.
AdamJCLOSED
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:59AM
thats something i was wondering too, but a different track. I may have missed something in the thread about exclusivity, but if your exclusive, do you also tell your models that they cant sell the photos, or make them sign something?
coolmilo
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:17AM
thats a good point Adamj
DevelopingPerceptions
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:25AM
Well your models can't sell the photos anyway, the copyright still belongs to the original artist (that's you BTW) regardless of whether they paid or were paid by you.
If you are working with a model who has enough experience to merit payment for his/her work then they will probably have set their own fees already, else you will probably be able to negotiate a reasonable fee, or arrange to work on a Prints for Time (PfT) basis, where you both work for free, and both get a set of prints for your time and efforts, it's a good arrangement, especially for new or starting-out models (and photogs!!)
Hope this helps
Andi
bonniej
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:54AM
My models do not sell their prints. THey don't own them to sell. All images belong to me.

They do get a few prints for their portfolio...these are not used to sell my work.. they are used to sell the models.
konkrete
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:47AM
if you have a semi-underground free paper, put an andertisement in it. a couple of years ago i had to hire a few models to do a shoot for a website we did. i ran an ad in the Reader here in chicago and could not believe how many responses i got. i hired three beautiful models and paid them $100 each - next to nothing. i probably could have paid nothing...but felt it only fair to pay something. if you live in a large urban area, you should have access to many models who would be happy to work with you just for the exposure.
jrsower
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:06PM
Hmmm...that's a great idea. But for a bronze cannister dude like myself, breaking even on my hundred bucks could take a while. Oh well, I guess it'll never happen unless I try.
intransfer
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:03PM
There are always new models looking to put a portfolio together - never hurts to contact the local agencies asking for their new models, (in exchange for prints, etc). You can either get them dirt cheap or better yet - free.

As for pay... I don't think I could pick a set price - I think it really depends on their experience and how much time you'll have to spend directing them. I've gone $20-$100.

Personally, I prefer to keep a posse of hot friends that I can call and force to work for free.

(Edited on 2005-01-10 01:05:15 by intransfer)
genxtek
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:17PM
Man... I need a posse of hot friends, all my friends are comic geeks You know all us geeks tend to stick together.
mschowe
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:23PM
I was keeping a posse of hot friends in my basement, but the bodies really started to reek so I moved.
intransfer
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:43PM

I was keeping a posse of hot friends in my basement, but the bodies really started to reek so I moved.


lol! but that makes them easier to pose and stay in position
bonniej
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Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:07PM

I was keeping a posse of hot friends in my basement, but the bodies really started to reek so I moved.


lol! but that makes them easier to pose and stay in position


and they don't blink!!!

(Edited on 2005-01-10 04:08:47 by bonniej)
camptown
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Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:02AM
interesting topic, i know some believe that if you are doing a TFP or TFCD session, then it is unethical to have them sign a release for stock use...

i'm guessing most here disagree.

so is anybody having trouble shooting models with a TFP or TFCD basis and having them sign the release for stock use?

sjlocke
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Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:30AM
What is TFP and TFCD?
bonniej
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Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:33AM
I am guessing...

trade for photos and trade for CD


The models know right up that I shoot stock.. I have not had a problem yet asking & getting a signed model release.

The models only get printed photos.. I do not give out files on a disk
graytown
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Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:23PM
TFP - Time for Prints
TFCD - Time for CD
camptown
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Posted Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:35AM
just to clear up...yes tfcd is time for cd (images on disk), and they are downsized for the web so useful for websites, and not for prints.

Thanks bonnie, any others?
dscott
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Posted Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:10AM
The couple of amateur models that I have photographed have been happy with TFP. To keep them interested I also offer a % of the istock sales...it tends to make them interested in building up the portfolio.

(Edited on 2005-01-12 09:13:19 by dscott)
kickstand
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Posted Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:44AM
If you have college students in your area, I would think $10/hour would be a fair price. Maybe do a 2-hour session for $25.00. You'd make up that money in a few weeks, if you got off 3 or 4 good shots and used an ethnic model, I think.
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