Epson R800 = awesome

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sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:31PM
I recently picked up the R800 (link to old review), and it is phenomenal!

I've been printing on an old Epson Photo 780, which I used to think did a great job for a $99 printer, but the R800 isn't even in the same league.

I've been re-printing a lot of older prints just to compare and I am blown away by the richness and detail of the R800 prints.

I've only been printing on Epson Premium Glossy paper, but I will be trying other types soon. Next on my list is Moab's Kokopelli Photo Gloss. It got rave reviews in photoshop user's latest comparison of various inkjet papers.
kickstand
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 4:45AM
It's a great printer for sure, and I thank my guardian angel who got me one. But ... wait till you have to buy a new set of 8 ink cartridges @ $15 each. They will all start running out within a few weeks of each other. Oy!
MsSponge
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 5:18AM
Hey, I got the same one last week and the thing that I love the most is the BORDELESS prints I can do now

Ken, dont say that! I am a bit stressed about the cartridges and I had to do a looooot of sweet talking to get this thing One of the main arguments against was the ink but I was able to talk my way around it
Atlantagreg
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 8:16AM
Ohhhh... you won't be able to walk around it long. LOL. Just don't go on printing frenzies and you should be ok, though.

I bought an Epson R300 not long ago and it uses the standard inks which are a little easier to find at places like Costco, but they and Sams don't carry the special 800 inks. Shop around on the net.

sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 8:27AM
I think the quality of the print and the longevity of the prints are worth the cost (so he says during his honeymoon phase). Every print is going to cost some money, and so far I feel the value is worth it. Quality papers continually decrease in price and I hope ink does too.

I also feel a little more emboldened to sell some prints now that I'm not afraid of them fading and yellowing in just a few years or months, so hopefully over time I can cover some of my costs (kinda like how istock covers my camera costs). Time will tell, but as long as my wife continues to be impressed with the difference I'm happy.
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 10:14AM
I'm the kind of guy who never used to make prints ... but since I had kids I do make very selective 6x8 prints on 8.5x11 paper. I can make 6x8 prints either vertically or horizontally on 8.5x11 paper, with a small caption at the bottom, looks very professional.

I, too, have found it difficult to find ink, but discovered that my local Ritz Camera does stock it.

Rob, you are definitely correct that the permanence makes it worth it. There's no point in making nonarchival prints whatsoever, at least with the R800 you're paying for something that will last.
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 10:15AM
One could always try Carrot Ink to save money. But to be honest I'm afraid to put cheapie ink in such a high-performance printer.
MotoEd
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 12:01PM
My photo partner has that one and loves it. I'm impressed with the quality out of it. I actually have a backorder in for the R1800. It's the large format cousin of this one that will be out hopfully mid-march.

I'm sure Epson has one we can look at the show.

Kickstand: I work for a computer products distributor and have talked to the rep almost daily. I would never put any ink other then Epson in an Epson printer. Epson uses Alcohol based ink (alcohol makes a smaller droplet... I learned that from Hollywood special effects shows when shooting model ships.) Water based inks will not form a small enough droplet sized and will clog the heads.

This is also why you should "use" an Epson printer at least once a week... even just to print a web page in draft mode. That ink needs to keep flowing so it doesn't dry.
MotoEd
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 12:05PM
Prints aren't THAT bad... I know the catridges aren't cheap, but the "per print price" isn't that bad.

It's like $.46 for a 4x6 and $1.45 for an 8x10.

Sure, it's about double what the "online photo services" charge, but the print quality FAR surpasses them.

I've decided on this platform for my wife's scrapbooking (it has a longer life then a standard print) and for selling my prints from events (I couldn't have any faith in dye-based inks that will fade in 4 years).
sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 12:54PM

Sure, it's about double what the "online photo services" charge, but the print quality FAR surpasses them.


This is very true. I re-printed some photos that I had done at ophoto last year and the R800 were far superior.
kickstand
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Posted Tue Mar 1, 2005 1:54PM
Thanks for the info, Ed, and thanks for doing the tests, Rob!

I've actually re-started my own family photo album project, after leaving it dormant for a while ... I'm right now printing photos from July 2003!

P.S. My R800 has sat idle for months at a time with no problem ... my previous Epsons have all had the dried-up ink problem you mention. Maybe leaving the printer on 24/7 helps with this, or maybe it's the new ultrachrome inks.
MsSponge
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Posted Wed Mar 2, 2005 2:32AM
In the UK you can get the inks from euroffice and the prices are competitive I think.
Atlantagreg
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Posted Wed Mar 2, 2005 6:49AM

I think the quality of the print and the longevity of the prints are worth the cost (so he says during his honeymoon phase). Quality papers continually decrease in price and I hope ink does too.


It would be NICE if inks went down, but I'm not holding my breath. They charge a small amount overall for the printers, knowing they'll make it up in ink costs over the life of the printer.

You never know, though. Right now I think there are lawsuits going on in the UK and here in the states over inks. How much they put in the cartridges, the "expire" chip that shuts them off from working after a certain date, etc etc. If the lawsuits pan out, they may change the way they make the cartridges, or lower the prices.


And Moetoed - let us know how that Epson 1800 is when you get it. It looks REAL tempting. I bought an Epson R300 because I really do need a CD priting feature, and so far the 1200 and 2200 don't offer that. This new one will do large format prints AND the CD/DVD printing so looks like what I could use, too.


(Edited on 2005-03-02 06:56:24 by Atlantagreg)
sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Wed Mar 2, 2005 6:50AM
It's funny, when I first got my Epson Photo 780 (a few years ago) I was amazed by the quality. Everyone who saw the prints said, "Wow those look just like film prints" ... or something like that.

When I started to experiment with some of the online printing options (ophoto, dotphoto, shutterfly) I was equally pleased (for the most part) with those prints, and could see how some of them were better quality than my old Epson.

Now that I'm looking at these prints from the R800 I can't believe I thought my old 780 or ophoto prints were that good.

I have also had beautiful prints made at mpix.com, and I have to say that I think the R800 is on a par with what I got from them.
DanBrandenburg
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Posted Wed Mar 2, 2005 2:17PM
I won the R800 in a photo contest last year and I absolutely love mine. It is my first color printer (I'd always just used laser for text in the past and never worried about printing). Now I make my own prints to decorate with

I was able to get replacement inks for cheap on the internet. They weren't just knock-off inks, but the inks that Epson suggestion. I think I only payed 40 bucks for an entire set (all colors)...normally, I think it would've cost like 120 bucks.

sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Wed Mar 2, 2005 3:12PM
What is this "internet" of which you speak, and how do I find it?
kickstand
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Posted Wed Mar 2, 2005 3:16PM
Don't you remember George Bush's slip that there were multiple "internets" during the debates ... there are secret internets that only the government knows about ... and our friend Mummu ...
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