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dsteller
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Posted Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:11PM
On 2005-06-12 15:57:49, peebert wrote:

Just a note- Please don't use sitemail to ask other members to propagate your gallery notification across their Creative Networks. It's lame, and it's spam. And if I catch you, I will kill you.


You have an amazing way with words.

By the way, what is gallery notification?
peebert
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Posted Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:22PM
"Gallery notification" means "I have a new gallery and need additions to it. Please submit your photos to me for my review and potential addition to the gallery".
dsteller
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Posted Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:28PM
Oh...it means what it sounds like. duh.

I guess I never even thought about spamming people for that.
absolut_100
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Posted Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:30PM
Would the other way round like for instance "I have a new fantastic photo besides my other fantastic photos and I would like to choose your gallery as the potential home to it?" be ok?

peebert
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Posted Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:34PM
From my mailbag-

"So are you saying that we should not approach others thru site mail who manage a specific gallery that fits an image that has recently been uploaded? Please clarify -- thx."

Yes, by all means you can notify the curator of a gallery of a specific photo you think will make an appropriate addition. You just can't do it the other way around, with a chain letter asking for submissions TO the gallery.

"Ciao Peebert.
About your blog on initial page.:

Without mentioning names - this happened to me - I forwarded the mail to my network - & lost a member on that account - because of spam. Now I might be the dumbest or most ignorant person on this site - sometimes I feel so but - exactly what is wrong with it - I would like to understand it. Personally I havent done it - but if you want to start a gallery where each user choose a photo to go in that particular gallery - why is it then incorrect to use the network? Is it better using forum.... & please dont think I am in to starting trouble - not at all - I would just like to understand it. As not to find myself in the same situation another time - cause I was sad to loose a member. & maybe I just dont understand quite what a creative network is then..... "

If one is going to assemble a gallery, it's up to them to find the images to put into it. It's lazy to use sitemail spam to collect submissions, and people don't want their sitemail boxes violated with spam in ANY case. Bottom line- unless you have direct business with another user (personal or professional), you shouldn't be sending them sitemail. Don't use the forum either.

So how do you get submissions to your gallery? Creative searches, eagle-eyed review of recent approvals... Also, since gallery positioning is a great way to move images, motivated, sales-minded artists will occasionally check the galleries for new additions they can apply to. In short, go find them, or let them find you. Don't just throw your nets out there and drag the ocean.
cenglanddesigns
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:57AM
What about announcement posts to the iStock front page blog? A lot of people occassionally post about their galleries there - either newly created ones or updates to existing ones. Is this still okay or does it fall into the 'mass spamming' similar to the CN?
Pufferfishy
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:00AM
What about posting on the Community News? I agree with dsteller.

Except I did send sitemails to my fellow Creative Networks about my gallery containing THEIR own images only. So, I don't consider that as SPAM. Hehehe


"Gallery notification" means "I have a new gallery and need additions to it. Please submit your photos to me for my review and potential addition to the gallery".

peebert
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:30AM
We're currently working on a way to have people post news about galleries, as we'd *prefer* not to have them on the front page. As it is, though, we can't ask people not to do it since we can't currently offer an alternative. So if you must, post *occasionally* on the front page, but never more than once about a single gallery. Thanks.
cenglanddesigns
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:23AM

We're currently working on a way to have people post news about galleries, as we'd *prefer* not to have them on the front page. As it is, though, we can't ask people not to do it since we can't currently offer an alternative. So if you must, post *occasionally* on the front page, but never more than once about a single gallery. Thanks.


Understandable. I recall there was some discussion previously about providing an announcement blog specifically for galleries on the gallery page itself. I think that's a very reasonable idea.
t-lorien
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:42AM
So well - how do I come around this in a gracefull manner?
I see peebert was kind enough to make my mail to him public - & as anyone in my creative network - which holds I dont remenber exactly - but quite a few people - would recognize that this is from me - . I feel like I have to do something or say something.
I actually feel there is a lot of "big brother" is watching you on this site - & to tell the truth that is not exactly my style - normal life holds enough of that already. All of this discussion has just led me to delete my creative network as I dont see what I can use it for anymore. I am not a person that downloads any pictures here - I have been uploading - but I am not either a big seller - my pleasure was to get inspiration & go through the marvellous pictures there is here - & to try to make some appropriate galleries to present the overseen & deserving pictures in suitable galleries. Truthfully I cant see anything wrong in a member of my network telling me they have started a gallery containing your most wonderful or your most lousy picture, to be spam. You cant find these photos through researches anyhow. I remenber loads of other people having started galleries like this on the forum - which picture did you sell prints off - which is your fav. etc. I think this is a wonderful part of communicating inbetween us - & showing the more personal part behind the anonymous logos. Anyhow - this obviously isnĀ“t the spirit - so from now - I will just sit here quietly & concentrate about the galleries I maintain. As I do know they are appreciated & looked upon.
I am sorry for the people I have "met" through the network - loads of neat people - but I just cant deal w. "s........." like this. Life for me is too short to have to get upset about things like this.
Besides - I realize I will never be in the "in" crowd here - as I have been more or less ignored all the time by the "biggies"........Whatever.
Anyhow - short in short - I will forward this blog to the network - & just stay quiet & anonymous from now on.
PS - Neither will I post my galleries on the front blog again - as I see that is a problem too.
All the best to everyone.
PS - Offcourse I still recieve sitemails - about suggestions or whatever - I dont have a problem w. spam here - ;-D
Tina
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:47AM
me neither, I don't have a problem. I like it when people ask me to update my gallery with some photo's.
MsSponge
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:55AM
I must admit that if (and when) I get an sitemail saying something along the lines of "I just started a gallery on *blah blah blah* if you have any images that you want to include let me know" I am pleased by that!

He-ho, that's life and all that jazz.
Flashworks
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:05AM
Maybe i am responsible for some of the things said here.

I PM someone from my network with the question to let me know what this artist most underestimated image was. (...that image would hopefully reflect the type of photography this artist desires the most. No commercial thoughts or istock downloads have come between the artist and the subject....)

It seemed a nice idea to me. I asked this person to forward it to the network, trying to get maximum response.
I haven't don this because i didn't want to put no work in it...
I just liked the idea seeing the choices iStockers would make...

The galery is deleted, sorry for the ones that were submitted allready...
This wonderfull site almost felt like a community...

(Edited on 2005-06-13 06:10:34 by Flashworks)
t-lorien
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:24AM
# Flashwork.
Dont be sorry - & thanx for coming forward. In my oppinion you did nothing wrong. ;-D
All the best from Tina
YT
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:25AM
Peebert, threatening to kill people is not nice for the front page blog......

I realize its meant to be sarcastic, but still, thats quite rude.
mammamaart
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:26AM
Gotta admit, I don't see much harm in it either.
Hard to tell what or what not to use your CN for, what is considered spam by some might not be by others...
madtwinsis
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:31AM
Sorry, this time I don't understand it neither!!!

You make a gallery to promote other people's pictures, a CN are members where you have a connection with, so they are the first ones you want to include in your gallery, OK, you should fill that gallery yourself but those on your CN are supposed to be friends, and friends will help you if they can. If a friend has a problem with something you've asked, he/she should contact you first and find a solution. Forget and forgive...

Spam is just advertising your own work, that's really bad form unless your sending it to a gallery-owner or someone who has asked for it ofcourse.
Asking your CN for submissions to a gallery is not spam, IMHO!
OK, chainmail (asking everyone to send your letter to others on their CN) is spam, but please make this difference very clear.


Flashworks,
I can understand your intention, and it wasn't to make managing your gallery easier, but you should have left it with the people you know and trust, or post a thread in the Off-topic-forum. There are always people that don't like this, even if it creates more chances to sell their picts...


Sorry, I got in to a rant... takes some of those nice little pills and a cup of warm milk...

duncan1890
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:35AM
I don't have a problem with it either, seems an over reaction to me.
sjlocke
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:45AM

Peebert, threatening to kill people is not nice for the front page blog......

I realize its meant to be sarcastic, but still, thats quite rude.


I agree, not the best way to attract new customers who don't know what the hell the talk is about.
Acerebel
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Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:45AM
I could be mistaken, but I didn't read Peebert's post as saying don't sitemail your own CN about a new gallery you've started.

I understood him to be saying don't sitemail your own CN and then ask them to sitemail each of their own Creative Networks. If you look at that page where it shows your own CN, then one step, two steps and three steps away, you can see how it becomes almost like pyramid selling, cascading through the servers with bulk sitemails and, therefore, spam in no uncertain terms.

Pete, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

(Edited on 2005-06-13 06:46:52 by Acerebel)
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