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tirc83
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 9:43AM

Just had a rejection for ++UK notes are not acceptable if the Queens face is visible++


I know about flat scans not being permissible but is this a very recent new policy?
Whiteway
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 9:47AM
Only Support will know, Gary.

It used to be that newspapers and so on used to only show British coinage from the 'tails' side, avoiding showing the Queen's head. That stopped many years ago. Perhaps this is a little flashback?
tirc83
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 9:56AM

Yes thanks Roger - I just wanted to clarify/share the info so that others wouldn't upload in ignorance.


(Edited beacuase the bl**dy Internet has conditioned my brain to put apostrophes in everywhere!)

(Edited on 2010-05-20 12:05:02 by tirc83)
vandervelden
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 10:02AM
Yes, it is new policy - existing images of UK banknotes showing the Queen's face will be purged in time.
Whiteway
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 10:09AM
It would be useful if policy changes such as this were shared in advance, wouldn't it? Finding out by having your work returned to you doesn't feel right.
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 10:13AM
I agree. It was in the forums (somewhere?!?), although I can't remember exactly why. I know it's a h*cking nuisance!
tirc83
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 12:02PM
Well I went to the cinema last night and watched Robin Hood. Should have realised then that we can't make money out of the monarch - only the other way around works - even today!
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 12:27PM
Can anyone post up the iStock policy (rather than musings in the forums)? Also, can anyone link to something that indicates why we should not have photos of the queens head on a banknote? Ideally to something specific from the Bank of England, or a statute / case law etc. Maybe there is something from the Bank of England that says that they hold copyright and will enforce it , even in cases such as stock photos (where the queens head is ancilliary to the image and is not "face on", etc.
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 12:42PM
you would think this would be in the Technical wiki but I dont see it there.
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 12:52PM
Posted By tirc83:

Just had a rejection for ++UK notes are not acceptable if the Queens face is visible++


I know about flat scans not being permissible but is this a very recent new policy?

I asked about this a while ago. iStock are supposed to be purging all the ones with the Queen's face visible, but I've been waiting about 4 months and still nothing has happened. That's totally wrong as those images that are already accepted showing the face have an unfair advantage over new uploads.
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:03PM
Posted By elgol:
Can anyone post up the iStock policy (rather than musings in the forums)? Also, can anyone link to something that indicates why we should not have photos of the queens head on a banknote?

Yup. Support can do that.
jtyler
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:20PM
Sometimes you can find the answer simply by googling it.  I know you can re: US Currency.  But a list of what is OK and what is not would be nice, but there are so many wish lists out there that it may be a while before any get done.  I am hoping that all the new hiring is going to result in some fixes of things that really bug a lot of people.
elgol
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:22PM

Is anyone from Support reading this? Or should I contact Support, then they'll post something, or do I post in on their behalf?
Habman_18
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:23PM

How's this to muddy the waters:


"Under section 18(1) of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 it is a criminal offence for any person, without the prior consent in writing of the Bank of England, to reproduce on any substance whatsoever, and whether or not on the correct scale, any Bank of England banknote or any part of a Bank of England banknote. The Bank of England also owns the copyright in its banknotes." - Source


The Bank of England will allow certain uses if an application form is submitted and the use meets their guidelines.


 
vandervelden
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:32PM
Posted By Habman_18:

How's this to muddy the waters:


"Under section 18(1) of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 it is a criminal offence for any person, without the prior consent in writing of the Bank of England, to reproduce on any substance whatsoever, and whether or not on the correct scale, any Bank of England banknote or any part of a Bank of England banknote. The Bank of England also owns the copyright in its banknotes." - Source


The Bank of England will allow certain uses if an application form is submitted and the use meets their guidelines.




I undertook a mass of research on this quite some time ago - when iStock wouldn't accept ANY British banknote images (all of a sudden, without warning). Regrettably, I can't recall the euro website that contains many germane details. The police told me - and I believe it's on the police website - that no action would ever be taken under these circumstances (photos) unless the Bank of England insisted ... and that's never happened and, in the opinion of the police, never going to happen.


IStock's policy is, however we may disagree, iStock's policy and will no doubt change again ... and again ... and again ...
elgol
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:46PM

Thanks Habman 18. So the Bank Of England has copyright over banknotes, and the fact that iStock allows photos of BofE banknotes implies that they accept no action would be taken by the B of E for photographing them.


UK law has a statute about reproducing banknotes (which is not what we're on about here because we photo them other than face-on and aren't counterfeiting / forging).


But what is it that's so special about her head?
Whiteway
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 1:53PM
Posted By elgol:
Is anyone from Support reading this? Or should I contact Support, then they'll post something, or do I post in on their behalf?

Truly, it's not hard. The Support link is in the left-hand column, choose Contributor Relations.

What the Bank Of England decides and what iStock decides don't have to coincide. If iStock makes a decision about currency notes, that decision doesn't have to withstand micro-scrutiny for the currency of every country.
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 2:04PM

Posted By tirc83:

Just had a rejection for ++UK notes are not acceptable if the Queens face is visible++


I know about flat scans not being permissible but is this a very recent new policy?


It is somewhat new, but I don't know the exact day. I know files have been culled from the collection and new submissions are rejected.
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 2:14PM
Posted By tirc83:

Just had a rejection for ++UK notes are not acceptable if the Queens face is visible++


I know about flat scans not being permissible but is this a very recent new policy?


Yes either it's a mistake or Istock policy has changed, I thought it was if they were flat and full note shown in image? I get Bank of England, Scotland, Ulster, Northern, Bank of Ireland  and sometimes Jersey bank notes showing up in my pocket. Wonder if any of those are acceptable now for Istock images?


Jersey still use one pound notes! .
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Posted Thu May 20, 2010 2:41PM
I don't believe the bit about the face being visible is new. I've read that for quite a while.
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