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picmax
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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2005 6:01AM
I was experimenting pattern fill. I noticed that there are small white lines/gaps on the screen after I fill a shape with lots of small patterns. The white lines/gaps do disappear when I zoom way in. Should I worry about them?

My 2nd question is, is there a way to extract the fill pattern (the smallest block) from a shape filled with that pattern without actually crop the repeating pattern?
zerocattle
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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2005 7:08AM
1. if the white lines show at 100%, yes, worry. try printing it and saving to jpeg and see what you have (I can't see what you're doing from here )

2. extract? you can use a clipping mask?
picmax
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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2005 7:39AM
Thanks zerocattle. My submission has been rejected. Need to expand the pattern fill, even though it looks ok when exported to EPS V8.

closed373788
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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2005 9:03AM
I sent a not to Scout a while ago asking about patterns. They are completely AI8 compatible but I wasn't certain about Freehand/Corel compatibility.

I never heard back from Scout.

Its good to know that patterns must be expanded. It'll just make editing the file a nightmare though.
picmax
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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2005 12:08PM
I am not sure why such a requirement. It seems istock wants the vector files to be easily editable. On the other hand, expanded strokes and fills are difficult to edit. However it might be more compatible with old systems.

If V8-compatibility is the line, why should it need to be compatible with EVEN older system?

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Posted Thu Sep 8, 2005 12:14PM
Agreed picmax. I've added a couple images that started as simple pattern fills with a custom pattern. The expanded art will be horrible to try and alter whereas the pattern would be a snap to edit. Oh well.

Interestingly enough Illustrator 8 gradients and gradient meshes do not translate to Freehand MX. So I can't see why patterns are frowned upon.

(Edited on 2005-09-08 17:37:41 by VectorScott)
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Posted Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:09PM
Hey Scott, if you didn't hear back from Scout, you should probably contact Support. Sometimes emails can go missing in Cyberspace. I hope you can get through OK!

Custom patterned fills can be non-AI compatible, however, they aren't completely editable. What if I need to change the colors of parts of the pattern? Or what if I need to change the sizing of a shape but not the fill? If the pattern is made of vector objects, then I can muck around and change them. But as a pattern fill, I don't have the same control over the shapes.

It only takes a second to expand the fills so there shouldn't be a problem in doing this before exporting. If anyone needs help figuring out how to do it, we could start a forum thread with tips, or you can sitemail me and I'll do my best to help.

If you're dead set on including the pattern, you can just upload 2 EPS files, one with the pattern expanded and one without. Just make sure you label them clearly for the inspectors
zerocattle
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Posted Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:47PM
Patterns can be expanded by other applications? Yes? No?

If you need to change the sizing of a shape but not the fill, then having patterns NOT expanded would work better than having them expanded and cropped, no?
closed373788
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Posted Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:28AM
I don't know about other software, but with Illustrator you can drag a pattern from the swatch palette to the art board. Edit the pattern all you want, then alt/option drag it back on top of the original pattern in the swatch palette and all objects in the document will update to reflect the pattern changes. So, essentially a pattern in Illustrator is just as easy to edit as any other object. You just need to know how.

The problems with expanding a pattern is then you've got a clipping mask. THAT I'm certain is not cross-software compatible. So now the clipping mask must be removed and then, in turn, all the additional pattern elements have to be removed or adjusted. This isn't impossible I have done it once or twice. It's just, in the end, the patterns are just as editable as gradient meshes. So if meshes are acceptable perhaps patterns should be.

But it's not really a drop dead issue. There are workarounds.

:: edited fer spellin' ::

(Edited on 2005-09-11 00:31:44 by VectorScott)
picmax
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Posted Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:12AM
Interesting read. I thought the clippink mask is not compatible.

For example:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212395/en-us

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Posted Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:45PM
I don't think clipping masks are compatible picmax. That's what I posted. Expanding a pattern means you must remove the clipping mask.
picmax
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Posted Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:45PM
I looked at the EPS spec at adobe website. It does have clipping path.

http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/ps/5002.EPSF_Spec.pdf

I guess some programs just aren't capable of understanding the entire spec.

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