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Thomas_EyeDesign
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:03AM
Posted By stacey_newman:

Posted By Thomas_EyeDesign:
Well I've been uploading all year and getting good downloads, I'll still miss the mark by about 40,000 RC. which means I'll be down about $7,000 next year. 50% in the last three months not happening here. Don't take this post as iStock H*uk me over post it's not, I'll deal with it and adjust. But a jump from 40,000 to 150,000 is one hell of a jump maybe it's time to reconsider.


Will, I think contributors like you are those hit worst by the RC thing. I haven't been overly sympathetic about it, but if I am going to be, it is toward contributors like you who really do have an uphill battle in year one of the RC model.

No need to feel sorry for me Stacey, I saw this coming for sometime. I've made my plans to cover the loss of income, but we Exclusives still have one unknown out there, Vetta images on Getty! If it works out the losses may not be as bad as one would think.
Nickilford
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:52AM

Apart from the credit targets being too high, especially Diamond target, IS gave the contributors that don´t do this full time, practically no time to readjust their full time work schedules to accommodate extra shooting, processing and uploading time, in order to reach set targets and keep the commission they worked for and deserve.


I agree with the new system, I believe it to be fair because it benefits the ones who work harder. What I don´t agree with is dropping most of the highest earning contributors to a lower commission for 2011, at such short notice. That's just wrong. That's greedy and deceitful. Disrespect and disregard.


The only way IS can save face in this whole situation, is to maintain contributors at their current commission for 2011. Or bump all contributors who have passed the half way mark to their target, to that given target. eg: for a Gold contributor who has passed 20k credits this year will get the bump up to 40k, i.e will maintain commission.


 
Gannet77
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:01AM


Posted By Purdue9394:

Posted By Gannet77:
Well, I'm such a sad person that I actually keep a log of daily sales as reported by the multimedia.de site, and according to those figures total downloads during Sep-Dec, so far, have been 49.6% of the total downloads for 2010...

Obviously the figures are approximate because of the fuzz factor, and not all contributors may be represented, but 30,000 is a pretty representative sample I would think.

Based on that, KKT would appear to be quite correct in his estimate.

On the other hand, I certainly don't make 50% of my sales during Sep-Dec; but apparently some people do.

(Edited on 2010-12-17 04:32:59 by Gannet77)



But, if you look a little bit closer, you would also notice that more than 5,400 contributors and more than 220,000 files have been added to the database in the September to December timeframe. Any conclusions about growth in sales during this period based on the istockcharts.multimedia.de database would be suspect.

P.S. There are still more than 50,000 contributors and 535,000 files missing from the stats in the database and all the sales of those files to boot.

(Edited on 2010-12-17 21:52:36 by Purdue9394)


Oh yes, that's true, I only offered the figures for information, not claiming them to be anything more than an indication; make of them what you will!


As you mentioned in your later post though, given that if sales were flat across all months one would expect to see 33% of them during Sep-Dec anyway, and we normally report a slump in Jan/Feb and also a summer slump, it's quite plausible that the last four months of the year could make up that 17% slack.


Again though, I certainly haven't had that this year, although I have managed something like it in previous years.


And I agree with Gary, the original targets should be revisited now... but then I'm going to drop a royalty level, so I would, wouldn't I...
Difydave
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:33AM
Posted By kelvinjay:



Posted By anchev:
I don't think there will be a RC plan for 2012 because 2012 is the end of the world






Actually, RCs will work as normal in 2012, but will be set at a higher rate, as December will be a shorter month, owing to the Apocalypse.

smile





What no Christmas next year?


Never mind think of the photo opportunities. The skies should be extra spectacular, and bottomless pits of molten lost souls or whatever should be interesting. Also we''ll be able to sell shots of the four horsemen as editorial, without releases!


Seriously I haven't managed the 50% forecast this year, and never have in the past. If I had I'd have kept my 35%, but as it is I'm down to 30%. Would have been up to 40% next Spring.


No option but to "accept" it, but happy I'm damned well not.

(Edited on 2010-12-18 05:37:33 by Difydave)

(Edited on 2010-12-18 05:38:05 by Difydave)
sshepard
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:01AM

This opinion is coming from someone that reached gold just a few short weeks ago.  While my sales have increased towards the end of the year, it looks like I am going to be just a few thousand credits shy of reaching the next level and equivalently staying at gold.  Considering that I have had over 1,000 images accepted this year, I am starting to wonder if I put my efforts in the right place. I suspect January and February will be times of reflection for me and planning my goals for the new year - deciding where to put future efforts.


Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks?  I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.
Purdue9394
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:21AM
Posted By sshepard:

Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks? I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.


I have seen the number of Exclusives drop by one to two people on multiple days over the last two months, but the average number per day is probably less than one per day during that time.  It's difficult to say for certain from the istockcharts data as more are being added to the databasein plus there are newer contributors becoming Exclusive all the time.

(Edited on 2010-12-18 06:31:20 by Purdue9394)
OlsenMatt
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:11AM
Posted By sshepard:

Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks? I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.


date: Exclusive Contributors; Total Contributors (Exclusives %)

01/01/2010: 4770; 29301 (16.28%)
01/02/2010: 4864; 29341 (16.58%) + 0.30 %
02/03/2010: 4973; 29350 (16.94%) + 0.36 %
01/04/2010: 5066; 29389 (17.24%) + 0.30 %
02/05/2010: 5101; 29407 (17.35%) + 0.11 %
01/06/2010: 5213; 29429 (17.71%) + 0.36 %
05/07/2010: 5283; 29478 (17.92%) + 0.21 %
01/08/2010: 5376; 29808 (18.04%) + 0.12 %
01/09/2010: 5486; 30202 (18.16%) + 0.12 %
03/10/2010: 5624; 31933 (17.61%)
-  0.55 %
02/11/2010: 5701; 33745 (16.89%)
-  0.72 %
01/12/2010: 5809; 35511 (16.36%)
-  0.53 %
Cybermama
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:16AM
Posted By sshepard:


Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks? I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.

You may have to wait until February or March to find out. Perhaps many people are waiting to see how they do in January when the new rules are in place, and since it takes a whole month to lose the crown...  Perhaps the ones who have given up already just don't want to be part of the "rush" they anticipate for next year.
jsnover
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:30AM
Posted By Nickilford:

...Or bump all contributors who have passed the half way mark to their target, to that given target. eg: for a Gold contributor who has passed 20k credits this year will get the bump up to 40k, i.e will maintain commission.


Even a double the credits bump wouldn't help me keep 40% - I just made diamond last month and will end the year with about 45 - 50K redeemed credits. Even if you said 50K and doubled it, I'd still be 50K short of keeping a 40% commission. The targets are clearly designed to minimize the number of 40% commissions.


I don't imagine they'd go for your double-it idea, but even if they did, I can't see them going for a "triple it" bump
Nickilford
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:46AM
Posted By jsnover:

Posted By Nickilford:

...Or bump all contributors who have passed the half way mark to their target, to that given target. eg: for a Gold contributor who has passed 20k credits this year will get the bump up to 40k, i.e will maintain commission.



Even a double the credits bump wouldn't help me keep 40% - I just made diamond last month and will end the year with about 45 - 50K redeemed credits. Even if you said 50K and doubled it, I'd still be 50K short of keeping a 40% commission. The targets are clearly designed to minimize the number of 40% commissions.


I don't imagine they'd go for your double-it idea, but even if they did, I can't see them going for a "triple it" bump smile

Clearly my 2nd suggestion wouldn´t cover everyone, like newly changed cannister contribs, but maybe it could be valid for contributors who changed cannister before the announcement? Please, I'm not saying that newly changed cannister contribs don´t have the same right as everyone else, it would simply be a way to address the problem of majority of istockers. Of course, my first suggestion would be the fairest, by letting everyone keep current commission (end of year).
qingwa
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:58AM
Posted By OlsenMatt:

Posted By sshepard:

Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks? I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.



date: Exclusive Contributors; Total Contributors (Exclusives %)

01/01/2010: 4770; 29301 (16.28%)
01/02/2010: 4864; 29341 (16.58%) + 0.30 %
02/03/2010: 4973; 29350 (16.94%) + 0.36 %
01/04/2010: 5066; 29389 (17.24%) + 0.30 %
02/05/2010: 5101; 29407 (17.35%) + 0.11 %
01/06/2010: 5213; 29429 (17.71%) + 0.36 %
05/07/2010: 5283; 29478 (17.92%) + 0.21 %
01/08/2010: 5376; 29808 (18.04%) + 0.12 %
01/09/2010: 5486; 30202 (18.16%) + 0.12 %
03/10/2010: 5624; 31933 (17.61%)
- 0.55 %
02/11/2010: 5701; 33745 (16.89%)
- 0.72 %
01/12/2010: 5809; 35511 (16.36%)
- 0.53 %

Wow! That's quite a telling stat
buzbuzzer
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:25AM

My stats graph look about the same as the 3 last years.


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I will be short by about 15% for my actual 2011 level.
OlsenMatt
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:30AM
Posted By qingwa:

Posted By OlsenMatt:


Posted By sshepard:

Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks? I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.




date: Exclusive Contributors; Total Contributors (Exclusives %)

01/01/2010: 4770; 29301 (16.28%)
01/02/2010: 4864; 29341 (16.58%) + 0.30 %
02/03/2010: 4973; 29350 (16.94%) + 0.36 %
01/04/2010: 5066; 29389 (17.24%) + 0.30 %
02/05/2010: 5101; 29407 (17.35%) + 0.11 %
01/06/2010: 5213; 29429 (17.71%) + 0.36 %
05/07/2010: 5283; 29478 (17.92%) + 0.21 %
01/08/2010: 5376; 29808 (18.04%) + 0.12 %
01/09/2010: 5486; 30202 (18.16%) + 0.12 %
03/10/2010: 5624; 31933 (17.61%)
- 0.55 %
02/11/2010: 5701; 33745 (16.89%)
- 0.72 %
01/12/2010: 5809; 35511 (16.36%)
- 0.53 %


Wow! That's quite a telling stat

Interesting to note is that the past three months more members have already canceled their exclusivity than members who became exclusive this year. Logically, most of those will start selling their work on other websites to cover their losses.

I suspect this trend to continually grow, as the "real thing" hasn't even started yet.
PictureLake
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:34AM
Posted By qingwa:

Posted By OlsenMatt:


Posted By sshepard:

Does anyone know if the number of exclusives here has changed much over the last several weeks? I suspect over this holiday season lots of folks are considering what the new year will bring and "where" to put that effort next year.




date: Exclusive Contributors; Total Contributors (Exclusives %)

01/01/2010: 4770; 29301 (16.28%)
01/02/2010: 4864; 29341 (16.58%) + 0.30 %
02/03/2010: 4973; 29350 (16.94%) + 0.36 %
01/04/2010: 5066; 29389 (17.24%) + 0.30 %
02/05/2010: 5101; 29407 (17.35%) + 0.11 %
01/06/2010: 5213; 29429 (17.71%) + 0.36 %
05/07/2010: 5283; 29478 (17.92%) + 0.21 %
01/08/2010: 5376; 29808 (18.04%) + 0.12 %
01/09/2010: 5486; 30202 (18.16%) + 0.12 %
03/10/2010: 5624; 31933 (17.61%)
- 0.55 %
02/11/2010: 5701; 33745 (16.89%)
- 0.72 %
01/12/2010: 5809; 35511 (16.36%)
- 0.53 %


Wow! That's quite a telling stat


Is it?


If I'm reading the data correctly, the only thing telling is that a HECK of a lot of new contributors were added during the last 3 months, compared to the previous 9 months.  (Less than 1000 new contributors from Jan thru Sep, then 5000 added in the last 3 months?!)
Cybermama
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:40AM
Posted By PictureLake

Is it?


If I'm reading the data correctly, the only thing telling is that a HECK of a lot of new contributors were added during the last 3 months, compared to the previous 9 months. (Less than 1000 new contributors from Jan thru Sep, then 5000 added in the last 3 months?!)

Yes, but don't forget that all of the Agency people came into the picture  in the last 3 months. Quite a lot of "new contributors" right there.
benedek
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:41AM
the stat is not really telling about exclusives leaving. It just shows that in the last few months the total new members to istock has increased a lot and they can not be exclusives yet anyway so therefore the decrease in percentage.
cmannphoto
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:46AM
Posted By benedek:
the stat is not really telling about exclusives leaving. It just shows that in the last few months the total new members to istock has increased a lot and they can not be exclusives yet anyway so therefore the decrease in percentage.

 But as Cybermama said remember that all those new Agency people from Getty got Exclusive right away.
PictureLake
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:55AM
Which seems to indicate that there really haven't been many new Agency exclusives -- at least not in relation to the huge # of non-exclusive new contributors.
VFKA
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:00AM
I think I will miss the 12500 RC target at the end of the year with actually owning around 11800 RC. What really bugs me is, that there will be only around 100-200 RC missing. But as much as I hope, they would reconsider the targets, I don’t see this happening. So I just can accept falling from 35% to 25% with some bitterness and hope that sales in the next year will be good enough that I can hold the amount of income at least, even with less percentage in royalties...
StephanHoerold
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Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:08AM
Posted By Difydave:

What no Christmas next year?


Next year, yes. But not the year after


 
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