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sjlocke
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:09AM
From the training manual, the example captions are giving in the format:

London, England - November 21, 2005:
The London Millennium Eye, on the banks of the Thames river in London, is the world's largest Ferris wheel, and the most popular paid tourist attraction in the United Kingdom.


So, are we to assume the best format for Google and IS searches are the city and country, separated by a comma, then a dash, then the date in full Month Date, Year format with a colon at the end? How do we break out a line return in DM? Can we put a /n in there?

Should the description be a duplicate of the "caption" area with just addition information like links?

(Edited on 2011-02-02 08:10:48 by sjlocke)
jentakespictures
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:19AM
I haven't been adding the place & date at the top of the caption because I assumed that will be pulled from the info fields in DM... but now I realize that the location field only asks for a country and not a city so I'm wondering if that's wrong.
fotoVoyager
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:33AM
I've just been putting the month and year in the caption field, since there's another field that populates the exact date. Is this acceptable?

I've assumed the caption field should just be a terse one sentence description covering the 4 W's mentioned in the help pop-up and then the description has a fuller more detailed explanation of the image. Is this the right approach?
sjlocke
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:36AM
Unfortunately, that isn't what is specified in the training manual. I'm trying to determine if the training manual is correct, and if thought has been given to the format specified there.
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:43AM
In order for us to verify the date production date, all images submitted for Editorial Use Only must include accurate EXIF data. We will reject any images that appear to have modified or stripped EXIF information.


The EXIF is just to verify what you have put in there. It doesn't say anything about making the caption from the provided data.
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:49AM

It would be nice to get some firm guidance on this before too many people upload captions that will get rejected. (esp since that information is being locked upon submission).


Does the caption have to contain the full date or is the Exif date sufficient?
alanphillips
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 8:59AM
Posted By NoDerog:

Does the caption have to contain the full date or is the Exif date sufficient?

According to the example of a good caption given in the training manual I would assume that the caption should contain the full date, and place. As Sean mentions above, the EXIF is just to verify what you put. That part seems clear.
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 9:01AM

London, England - November 21, 2005:
The London Millennium Eye, on the banks of the Thames river in London, is the world's largest Ferris wheel, and the most popular paid tourist attraction in the United Kingdom.



This caption format is pretty standard for editorial images across the agencies, so I would imagine istock will be adopting it. I know Getty editorial is very staunch on having captioning in their prescribed format.
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 9:07AM
Also, is there a way for the contributor to embed the caption info in the file via some IPTC field?
NoDerog
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 9:40AM
Posted By alanphillips:

Posted By NoDerog:

Does the caption have to contain the full date or is the Exif date sufficient?


According to the example of a good caption given in the training manual I would assume that the caption should contain the full date, and place. As Sean mentions above, the EXIF is just to verify what you put. That part seems clear.


It may seem clear but I have seen at least a dozen posters saying they are doing it differently. The confusion comes from the fact that Istock will have the exact date and can insert it in the Image Detail Page at the same time they are using the information to verify your data. Why make people retype the information when you already have it and risk typing and format errors?


The image detail page is going to have several new fields: the caption, the editorial use warnings, etc. Surely they can also have a field that say Date Image Taken.


And does this apply to product shots also? So, if we have to follow the training manual, and we have a shot of a coke can on white taken in Bronx, NY, we need to caption:


Bronx, USA - January 15, 2011: Coca Cola Can





 
alanphillips
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 9:51AM
Posted By NoDerog:


Posted By alanphillips:



Posted By NoDerog:

Does the caption have to contain the full date or is the Exif date sufficient?




According to the example of a good caption given in the training manual I would assume that the caption should contain the full date, and place. As Sean mentions above, the EXIF is just to verify what you put. That part seems clear.




It may seem clear but I have seen at least a dozen posters saying they are doing it differently. The confusion comes from the fact that Istock will have the exact date and can insert it in the Image Detail Page at the same time they are using the information to verify your data. Why make people retype the information when you already have it and risk typing and format errors?


The image detail page is going to have several new fields: the caption, the editorial use warnings, etc. Surely they can also have a field that say Date Image Taken.


And does this apply to product shots also? So, if we have to follow the training manual, and we have a shot of a coke can on white taken in Bronx, NY, we need to caption:


Bronx, USA - January 15, 2011: Coca Cola Can








My guess is that they want to have a pretty standard caption format and that includes date and place.
Paul Cowan has already raised that question related to your isolated Coke bottle here. That type of caption would be utterly ridiculous.


ETA link to the reply to Cowan's post

(Edited on 2011-02-02 09:55:22 by alanphillips)
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 11:35AM
When using Deepmeta and check the editorial box, it shows year, month, date... Also in caption area it automatically adds the tittle info.


1. Do i need to change this and duplicate the description field info into the caption area?


2. Do i need to duplicate the year, date info and add to the caption area?


A simple screen grab example of how to proceed here using this deepmeta section would be of great help for a lot of people!




Hope i'm not hijackin here or muddling things up for everbody smile.

(Edited on 2011-02-02 11:39:03 by Feverstockphoto)
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 11:52AM
Hi there, it's been overlooked from the mouseover tooltip on stage 3 of 3 of the editorial upload page, but as it says in the pop up:

The caption is where you need to supply the 4 W's. Who is in the photo (if a person is present), What is happening in the photo, When was the image taken and Where was the image taken?

I've put in a change request for the copy to be changed to the followiang:

The caption is where you need to supply the 4 W's. Who is in the photo (if a person is present), What is happening in the photo, When was the image taken and Where was the image taken? Please provide captions in the following format.

City, Country - Month, Date Year: Caption text

For example:

Chicago, USA - December, 24th 2010: Shoppers along the "Magnificent Mile" on Michigan Avenue rush to buy last minute presents on Christmas eve.

You'll note that this is the format that the captions are in the Editorial Use Only article.

Please edit your captions to the above format if you don't have them in that format already. I'll be creating a sticky thread in a few moments that inspectors will reference when rejecting images for incorrect captions.

(Edited on 2011-02-02 11:52:40 by Sirimo)
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 11:52AM
^ We can't edit our captions once we upload sad Is that a bug? Will it be changed soon? I have already uploaded the same file three times to make caption changes.

Also, for US, don't we also need the state? There are many cities with the same name in different states. Even cities with states names like "West New York, New Jersey"?


Thanks

(Edited on 2011-02-02 12:02:31 by wdstock)
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:00PM
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Posted By wdstock:
^ We can't edit our captions once we upload sad Is that a bug? Will it be changed soon?

Also, for US, don't we also need the state? There are many cities with the same name in different states. Even cities with states names like "West New York, New Jersey"?


Thanks

(Edited on 2011-02-02 11:54:54 by wdstock)


If you've uploaded and not captioned correctly you'll get a rejection and have to reupload the file.


Posted By toddmedia:


Posted By Sirimo:


City, Country - Month, Date Year: Caption text





No state?

Montgomery, USA ..... could be several cities. One in Alabama, Another in Texas, etc., etc.

If that's the case then state would be added also. City, State, Country.
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:02PM
Film scans won't have EXIF data, of course.
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:04PM
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/Think i've got it. The caption area is the new description area so to speak. And the description area does not require a description but can be used for lightbox links etc..


Deepmeta shows the year, month, date and allows us to select country, but we need to also type this into the caption field, correct?


Do i type Belfast, UK - December, 24th 2010 or Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK - December, 24th 2010 ??


(Edited on 2011-02-02 12:09:22 by Feverstockphoto)
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:06PM
Posted By Sirimo:
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Posted By wdstock:
^ We can't edit our captions once we upload sad Is that a bug? Will it be changed soon?

Also, for US, don't we also need the state? There are many cities with the same name in different states. Even cities with states names like "West New York, New Jersey"?


Thanks

(Edited on 2011-02-02 11:54:54 by wdstock)



If you've uploaded and not captioned correctly you'll get a rejection and have to reupload the file.

But if we make a simple typo or just want to change the caption, we are forced to cancel and then re-upload. I have already uploaded the same file three times just to make simple caption changes. Why must this field be locked prior to inspection?
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:08PM

Posted By Sirimo:
Please edit your captions to the above format if you don't have them in that format already. I'll be creating a sticky thread in a few moments that inspectors will reference when rejecting images for incorrect captions.




What should we do with files that are already uploaded? Cancel and re-upload?
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Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:12PM
What about captions for in studio product shots? Is the location required there also?
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