Factual Keywords Removed

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lostinbids
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Posted Wed May 4, 2011 10:54AM

I have just had this file accepted





and the keywords Teenagers Only (Teenager),  Teenager (Human Age),  Teenager (Human Age) removed. The model is 19 which makes her a teenager. Surely they should stay in.
ducksandwich
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Posted Wed May 4, 2011 11:36AM
According to the CV a teenager is defined as someone between the ages of 13 - 17. Since yr subject here is 19 they are therefore a young adult making the inspector's KW removals right on the nose. 
lostinbids
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Posted Wed May 4, 2011 11:56AM

Oh ok.  You learn something new everyday. 


Isn't that a bit odd of the CV to not include eighteen and nineteen year olds as teens.  Isn't it like saying 28 and 29 year olds are early 30s


On another topic completely I did see some istock folk in London and asked them to bring you back something from Pret.
ducksandwich
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Posted Wed May 4, 2011 12:58PM
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/The age thing is a little tricky but we're maintaining status quo for now. 


PRET! I can already see all those delicious sandwiches in their little white containers. SIGH. Fingers crossed on a prezzie. Thx!
lostinbids
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Posted Wed May 4, 2011 1:03PM
I would cross more than just your fingers.  They did look at me as if I was quite mad
hereswendy
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Posted Thu May 5, 2011 9:47PM
Posted By lostinbids:
I would cross more than just your fingers.  They did look at me as if I was quite mad smile

hehe now you have me curious too!
pastorscott
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Posted Sat May 7, 2011 3:38PM
Posted By ducksandwich:
According to the CV a teenager is defined as someone between the ages of 13 - 17. Since yr subject here is 19 they are therefore a young adult making the inspector's KW removals right on the nose. 


Dearest Mr. Duck (David),


WHile we can all appreciate/commiserate about the oddities/uniqueness of the CV I wonder if you would indulge me a moment and answer a few questions that perhaps others may be asking as well?


1. Is a buyer always/ever aware of these CV peculiarities to age definitions?


2. If No be answered to #1 I suppose it could be argued in its defense that if they search for an '18 yr old' it will lead them to young adults but would it not be true if they searched using the 'Teenagers Only' route would they not miss this image and all those aged 18-19 which might be exactly what they are after?


3. On the rationale behind the CV criteria is it being assumed that since teenagers covers mostly ages 13-17 and they generally look more teenish that it'll get the job done and any 'misses' of 18-19 yr old are just exclusions to the rule created? 


4. Why cannot the CV cover both bases and overlap to that the older looking teens perhaps aged 16-19 can be found under young adults (if they looked that way) and that youngish looking ones aged 18-19 could be found under Teenagers Only? Yes I realize some could/would/shouldn't spam with this 'system but if keyworded accurately according to what it actually looks like as opposed to just numbers it should/would/will prove to be more beneficial to buyers and contributors alike no?


5. As a follow up to #4, If the Getty adherence to factual data can be stretched to include CV specific rules such as making 18-19 yr olds 'non-teens' can't the same rule work backwards so the younger actual ages that happen to look older are included in the young adult searches?


6. Is a completely different category search term needed to make sure there are no misses or a prompt that asks (as much as I HATE these interruptions to the process sometimes) 'Did you mean-Teenagers 13-17? Or Teens 18-19? Possible new search terms-Teen Adults? Adultish Looking Teens? Youthful Older People? OK getting silly there.Not with the question just some of the choices.


7. I'm a little confused stlll despite asking so many questions whether the data needs to be factually accurate as the world understands it (ie. 18-19 = teens) or visually accurate (ie. many 18-19 yr olds look like they're 15-16 because of the variables God created into our maturity rates.)


While I realize that some frown upon asking ANY questions about 'protocol' as such, Please (those maybe so inclined) don't interpret these questions as somehow challenging authority or the system as I've been accused of in the past. Its just an objective review of the data the CV presents us and the reasoning (if known) behind it so we can understand it better. Its how my mind functions. I work best and believe many do when we know the Whys of Life.


Thanks David!
Whiteway
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Posted Sun May 8, 2011 1:42AM
So what you're saying, Scott, is that it's bonkers not to describe 18- and 19-year-olds as teenagers?
pastorscott
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Posted Mon May 9, 2011 1:26AM
Roger if that's all you care to see then feel free to see it as you will.
Whiteway
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Posted Mon May 9, 2011 1:35AM
Posted By pastorscott:
Roger if that's all you care to see then feel free to see it as you will.

If you get answers for your deeper concerns, Scott, then I hope you will share.

You might find a better place to put your question, though I'm not sure where that might be. Perhaps the Discussion forum; or a direct note to someone like Andrew (rogermexico), though I don't think he picks up his site mail very often.
ducksandwich
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Posted Mon May 9, 2011 9:50AM

Scott:


Here's some answers to yo questions:


1. I can't speak for what all buyers know but the CV as many of you know is full of peculiarities beyond this age question. 


2. A buyer may choose to look at a number of age ranges for a project but yes it is possible if they choose a specific age range they may miss other potentially useful content. That said, the only complaints I've fielded about this issue is from a small amount of contributors about their files searchability and not buyers who are dismayed at the state of the teen/young adult search. 


3. See answer to number 2. 


4. If we can overlap these two age ranges, why not overlap them all? You can see the types of problems this can present. 


5. See answer to number 4. 


6. Naw. Sounds messy to me. 


7. Pls be accurate with yr keywording. We don't allow for multiple location KWs unless absolutely applicable, ie: a border crossing between provinces/states/countries so it's not appropriate to include multiple age ranges for a single subject. 


8. One a side note, i like the word bonkers. Not quite as much as the word rubbish, but close. 
pastorscott
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Posted Mon May 9, 2011 3:06PM
^ David thanks dude!
lostinbids
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Posted Wed May 11, 2011 3:00AM

Is there a list of ages to keywords?  Obviously you put done the acctual age or age range but what do they all relate to.


I did a search for baby and found 2 to 3 year olds, surely they should be keyworded toddlers.


It would be nice to have a list like this


0-18months - baby


18months to 3 years - toddler


3 years to 6 years - young child


6 years to 13 years - child


13 years to 17 years - teenager


17 years to 19 years - young adult


How close is that list to being correct?


 
ducksandwich
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Posted Wed May 11, 2011 7:29AM

Here's da list once again:


Babies: 

Newborn: 0-1 Months (only), Premature

Baby: 0-6 Months, 6-12 Months, 12-18 Months


Children: (toddler, preschooler, elementary age or pre-adolescent child) AKA Little Boys and Little Girls)

Toddler: 18-24 months


Preschooler: 2-3 years, 3-4 years

Elementary Age: 4-5 years, 6-7 years, 8-9 years

Pre-adolescent Child: 10-11 years, 12-13 years





Teenagers: (early teens, late teens, teenager)


Early Teens: 13 - 14, 14 - 15 years

Late Teens: 16 - 17 years



Young Adults: 18-19 years, 20s, 20-30, 20-25 years, 25-30 years


Mid Adults: 30s, 30-40, 30-35 years, 35-40 years, 


Mature Adults: 40s, 50s, 40-50, 50-60, 40-45 years, 45-50 years, 50-55 years, 55-60 years, 


Senior Adults: 60s, 70s, 80 plus years, 60-70, 70-80, 60-65 years, 65-70 years, 70-75 years, 75-80 years, 
hereswendy
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Posted Thu May 12, 2011 2:27AM
Thanks for the list ... I do think I will be making a coipy of this to keep in my files ....
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