Is Komplete 8 Ultimate really the ultimate?

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VogelAudio
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Posted Mon Jun 4, 2012 6:20PM
I am looking at dropping a grand on Komplete 8 Ultimate, but before I do I wanted to get some feedback on Komplete 8 and/or suggestions for different (read: hopefully cheaper) audio suites.  I majored in music composition back in college, and feel very comfortable scoring for a variety of instruments, which is why I am looking at Komplete 8 Ultimate.  I am drawn to Komplete 8 Ultimate, because it includes a string synthesizer (Komplete 8 does not).  Essentially, I am trying to get the most bang for my buck.  I am open to any options.  Thanks in advance.
AudioGate
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Posted Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:48PM
I have been using Komplete for many years and it is useful to me for the following reasons :

Kontakt is one of the best samplers on the market and i's scripting possibilities is why I like to use it as I record many of my own samples and frequently make my own instruments. Learning this side takes a bit of time so don't expect immediate knowledge.

Reaktor is the most awesome synthesis package you could ever ask for and I like to equally add modules to existing synthesizers within R and build from the ground up. Again expect steep learning curve. And Reaktor is not 1 synthesizer it is a package of scripted modules that have put together several synthesizers, sample players,effects and as hoc generators. All of the modules can be cut and pasted and retired in weird and wonderful ways. It is a package worth the price of ultimate all on its own.

Absynth and FM8 are again fun and detailed and learning them is the best part of owning them. And Massive is a staple in electronic music particularly bass and leads. Battery is cool but I rarely use is as I have other personal favorites.

Ultimate is useful if you want the extra bits (I bought most individually in the past so see the package as worthwhile). All of the synths in Komplete and the retro machines in Kontakt have "string" synthesis as this is just a question of designing patches.

The orchestral samples are good but there are better ones on the market. Importantly Kontakt can handle those and if you can make your own samples then Kontakt can play them back for you.

If you decide to buy it be prepared for intensive leaning as there are many products in Komplete and they do not share the same engine so moving between synths will require different thinking and none of the programs are intuitive - except for Guitar Rig, which is super awesome for creating complex chains with incoming audio or computer samples and synthesis. All the best with your purchasing decision!
Raw_Materials
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Posted Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:31AM

I have to agree. NI's Komplete has been a more than useful tool for me over many years and has been well worth the initial outlay.


Absynth, FM8 (i've always liked FM synthesis on Yamaha's DX synths) and Reaktor are all great sound design tools. The learning curve involved with Reaktor really helps with understanding the 'physics' of sound and the pre programmed patches are great in themselves, acouple of my favourites are Steampipe and Oki Computer.


Kontact is a fantastic sampler with comprehensive control over patching and routing. Battery is a nicely designed sampler for percussive sounds and makes putting your own sounds into percussion sets very easy.


Guitar Rig is also a lot of fun.


Of the newer parts of Komplete I have no knowledge as I'm still working on a PowerPC Mac and Komplete is now only for Intel Macs.


 
thefurnaceroom
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Posted Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:30AM
just as an add-on question - does kontact have any pure and true piano samples?
Raw_Materials
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Posted Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:57AM
 In my version of Komplete there is a Akoustic Piano which has four great sets of piano samples even damper thumps are included. This used to be called Akoustik Piano but I think is now separated as four separate modules. 
thefurnaceroom
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Posted Tue Jun 5, 2012 10:02AM
hey Zosh, is this the software Mitch recommended?
thepugnatious
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Posted Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:02AM

Nothing comes close to Kompletes combination of quality of sound & quantity of samples, synths, & effects. There are options that are higher quality, but you get far more with Komplete for far less.
AudioGate
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Posted Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:20PM

Posted By thefurnaceroom:
hey Zosh, is this the software Mitch recommended?


Lisa, Mitch was using Kontak but was playing a non NI string instrument of which there are many and he recommended the more expensive and comprehensive instrument recordings in this. Most sampled instruments are scripted to play in Kontakt or EXS24.

Since komplete 7 NI added Berlin, Vienna and new york pianos and ultimate has Alesha Keys' samed piano in it (recorded by her own engineer so it sounds like one of her productions).
thefurnaceroom
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Posted Wed Jun 6, 2012 8:59AM
this is looking like a real thumbs up, welcome Tulley and let us know if you get it and how you like it!



Posted By AudioGate:


Posted By thefurnaceroom:
hey Zosh, is this the software Mitch recommended?



Lisa, Mitch was using Kontak but was playing a non NI string instrument of which there are many and he recommended the more expensive and comprehensive instrument recordings in this. Most sampled instruments are scripted to play in Kontakt or EXS24.

Since komplete 7 NI added Berlin, Vienna and new york pianos and ultimate has Alesha Keys' samed piano in it (recorded by her own engineer so it sounds like one of her productions).

oh ya, now I remember, I did write it down somewhere to get it someday (the wish list!)  so komplete is a few notches up from kontak?  is it plug and play, or comprehensive learning before using?  you sure know your stuff Zosh!
AudioGate
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Posted Wed Jun 6, 2012 5:46PM
Hi Lisa all of the products in Komplete can be plugged in and played as they have many useful and contemporary presets so, from that point of view anyone can use it effectively. To get the most out of all of the products is to learn their maximum potential, becaus when you do you don't need to buy anything else. Making your own synths or adapting popular ones within Reaktor means you can customize your sound and for an artists that is just awesome. All of the products in NI's Komplete are standalone units too so you can use them in performance, create presets or complex chains, build instruments etc. that part of the learning takes quite some time and NI (like most software developers) don't have great tutorial support. This is one of the growth areas in computer music as many "providers" have started to fill this gap in a structured and useful way. ASK Video, tutorial apps on iTunes and schools like point blank online create fabulous content at diferent price points depending on how much you want to learn. And it is worth learning as it makes you more creative. Learning NI's products made me move into electronics as I wanted to know how the "software" thinking is created by the electronics part and the knowledge complements each mode. And on top of that it has helped me develop a "wow-factor" moment for the next play I am am co-devising with my (and Globalsounds') theatre company so, it all articulates towards higher functioning creativity. The Technical aspects, like in any art form, make you a better artist and if you get stuck just Skype or FaceTime me and I'm sure I can lend a hand
thefurnaceroom
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Posted Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:24AM
Posted By AudioGate:
Hi Lisa smile all of the products in Komplete can be plugged in and played as they have many useful and contemporary presets so, from that point of view anyone can use it effectively. To get the most out of all of the products is to learn their maximum potential, becaus when you do you don't need to buy anything else. Making your own synths or adapting popular ones within Reaktor means you can customize your sound and for an artists that is just awesome. All of the products in NI's Komplete are standalone units too so you can use them in performance, create presets or complex chains, build instruments etc. that part of the learning takes quite some time and NI (like most software developers) don't have great tutorial support. This is one of the growth areas in computer music as many "providers" have started to fill this gap in a structured and useful way. ASK Video, tutorial apps on iTunes and schools like point blank online create fabulous content at diferent price points depending on how much you want to learn. And it is worth learning as it makes you more creative. Learning NI's products made me move into electronics as I wanted to know how the "software" thinking is created by the electronics part and the knowledge complements each mode. And on top of that it has helped me develop a "wow-factor" moment for the next play I am am co-devising with my (and Globalsounds') theatre company so, it all articulates towards higher functioning creativity. The Technical aspects, like in any art form, make you a better artist smile and if you get stuck just Skype or FaceTime me and I'm sure I can lend a hand smile

you are awesome!  thanks! too true, if your technology can accomplish what your brain imagines, the sky's the limit!  p.s. will you post a link to your new theatre music when it's done?
AudioGate
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Posted Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:42PM
Hi Lisa,

yes I will. We are going to make some YouTube clips for some of the highlights and I'll definitely share those with you! and as for awesomeness ... we all are a little bit
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