Number of keywords and forbidden KW??

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Mirkic
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:18AM

I've been busting my ass to figure out 7 to 15 RELEVANT keywords so I would get a long with the "new rules/policy" of keywording. Also, I've totally dismissed some keywords - "Logo", "audio logo", "business"/corporate etc....


And just to found out that there are files accepted with these keywords, and I know that inspecting keywords can be difficult, but this is just in plain sight! And that you guys are rushing to keep up with the queue but... 35 keywords, here you go. And please some more info on this?
Thanks


Sign
Stinger
ident
Intro
Jingle
jingle
Radio
Television Broadcasting
Television
Movie Theater
Movie
Home Video Camera
Video Still
Video
Podcast
Sound
Sport
Stinger
Photographic Effects
Artificially Produced Effect
Fuel and Power Generation
Energy
Technology
Affectionate
Audio Branding
Audio Logo
Connection
Awards Ceremony
Presentation
Spider Web
Internet
Business
Retail
Match - Sport
Leisure Games


 
AudioGate
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:27AM
34 you have stinger in there twice.
softpiano
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:32AM
I don't get an idea Mirco Are You typing here forbidden keywords? Cuz as for Stinger, it's not forbidden if it's stinger
clay73
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:38AM
I think mirco refers to a recently accepted file. There are some recently accepted files with some of the "forbidden" keywords (e. g. Business).

(Edited on 2012-06-15 10:13:22 by clay73)
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:41AM

Posted By Mirkic:
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Video
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VIDEO?!? are there really recent audio files keyed "video"??? ahaahah LOL
omg...
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:54AM
Mirko, if I can share with you my thoughts, dont you waste your precious time struggling about how badly other contributors are tagging their files...be accurate and relevant with your own files, and you'll see that this will pay you in both the short and the long term. Keyword spamming is like diggigng your own grave. Just my 2 cents.
Mirkic
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:34AM

Hey guys, thanks for your thoughts, and yes, I was referring to recently accepted files... it's just a question and I don't plan to go back putting in 30-40-50 keywords cause that's hell for me, glad to have some guidance regarding number of keywords and relevancy and in that light I'm just asking how the heck did these files passed through? I was just browsing through new files and stumbled upon some that have these keywords... 


Anyhow, I agree with you piccadillyCircus and I'm doing exactly that, it's made my life keywording audio much easier... I'm just curious about this?


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Mirkic
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:34AM
And not "forbidden" keywords, more like "not so welcome keywords" policy...
softpiano
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:36AM
In all cases they did not GET PASSED.. they were just added after inspection.. that's just my guess...
Mirkic
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:38AM
Posted By softpiano:
In all cases they did not GET PASSED.. they were just added after inspection.. that's just my guess...


Now that's something to think about! I just cannot imagine someone would do that?!?!?


And wanted to add that I'm getting pretty good results, downloads and views with 7-15 keywords per file... New files...
softpiano
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:41AM
buddy i can imagine people doing that.. and not nescessary trying to treat.. i know there are many people who are describing and keywording files after inspecitons... so they not nescessary want to treat all us.. but of course they can do it special to avoid bad keywords inspections...
Mirkic
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:50AM
Then I'm going to do my best to "report bad keywords" thingy and click on all irrelevant keywords I find (read:spam) cause it's making buyers crazy (I think).

One should start from himself (if that's the term)
In the past I keyworded many of my files very broad and (you may say it) with some irrelevant keywords (they were relevant in my head, laser, internet, multimedia, audio logo, whoosh, swoosh, space ship, fly by, airplane...... smile)) ) but just to find out that those files sink faster in searches... So I sucked it up and narrowed it down to few well chosen keywords and it really works just fine!!!


I'm happy with that strategy and I'm gonna stick to it. I just get a bit annoyed when I see something like this...

(Edited on 2012-06-15 06:51:06 by Mirkic)
thefurnaceroom
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:17AM

I did notice that as well - could've slipped or been added later, either way tough to monitor but will muck things up if we're trying to keep things clean and concise!


my last song had a few photographic effects, but you can't see them without a special monitor  hahhahahahaha

(Edited on 2012-06-15 07:18:07 by thefurnaceroom)
AudioGate
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:10PM

Posted By Mirkic:
Then I'm going to do my best to "report bad keywords" thingy and click on all irrelevant keywords I find (read:spam) cause it's making buyers crazy (I think).

One should start from himself (if that's the term)
In the past I keyworded many of my files very broad and (you may say it) with some irrelevant keywords (they were relevant in my head, laser, internet, multimedia, audio logo, whoosh, swoosh, space ship, fly by, airplane...... smile)) ) but just to find out that those files sink faster in searches... So I sucked it up and narrowed it down to few well chosen keywords and it really works just fine!!!


I'm happy with that strategy and I'm gonna stick to it. I just get a bit annoyed when I see something like this...

(Edited on 2012-06-15 06:51:06 by Mirkic)



I'm not sure that a strategy of reporting all the keywords you don't agree with is necessarily productive or collegial. As we have been advised, countless times, irrelevant keywords don't lead to sales. So, your strategy is really based on irritation rather than good business sense. If someone decides to break an agreement - as it's not yet a crime to use bad keywords - it really is their decision to muddy their files' selling opportunity.

Also, there is an ongoing policy that is flexible, in that, audio inspectors were piloting a parsimonious approach to describing a file. Ove time some keywords have been re-introduced. I regularly use "stinger" as it's also in the iStock index. I would be really grateful to you if you didn't click on any of my keywords, with stinger or intro, which have been inspected and approved (and not added after the event as is being suggested) and reported as spam. Thank you.
Mirkic
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:39PM

errrr...if you, me, or anyone else report a bad keyword or add some other relevant keywords, suggestion goes to inspector (or anyone who's doing that) to evaluate if it's bad or not, relevant or not... And only then it's added or removed. 
 
It's not automated?!?!? 
 
Also, I don't find "productive or collegial" to spam or write on purpose bad or irrelevant keywords so one could pop out on every search on Istock... but hey, who ever wants to write those kind of keywords he would be, in the matter of weeks, deep down in searches cause BM doesn't reward spamming... Neither do inspectors. So go ahead and write as many as you or anyone else wants.   
 
I use stinger and intro as a keyword very often too, but not on "rainy day in the forest" recording... If you get my point. And please do not misunderstood my first post, I DIDN'T wrote any "forbidden keywords", first of all, there isn't a list of those as I'm aware of, I just copied keywords from one file that was overwhelmed by irrelevant keywords and the main point was that this file passed inspection yesterday or the day before and I just wanted an answer. That's all... And it had waaay over 15-17 keywords...  At the end, I wrote what I would do if I come across a file like that, when I search for something and find nothing but spam... I see that as good business sense with a lot of irritation! It's irritating to see some files buried under a several others that aren't relevant for that search! And a good business sense is telling me to report those keywords that I think are inappropriate but the final call is on the inspectors so no worries! That's why that tool is there for! So we could have a better and cleaner search. 
 
Also that tool helped me a lot when I started with photo and video. Many people added and removed keywords from some of my files and I learned from that. Also, you get a notice when some of the keywords are added or removed from any of your files. Admin's (inspectors) call... Not the one that's clicking smile)) Also, I'm mainly ( read 90%) talking about sound effects, not intro's, outros, jingles, stingers etc... Music is different beast that I don't wanna get into... I can't, I don't have the knowledge... 

Please, don't misunerstood me, that's one thing and the other is that on my Google chrome spell checker is broken so I apologize for many typo's I have made... smile)) 


edited for some ackward white space under every passage!?

(Edited on 2012-06-15 20:41:35 by Mirkic)
thepugnatious
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:00PM

A few things



  • this problem is known, and it is far more complicated than most realize - to elaborate would give more ammunition to those who are abusing the system…
  • You are correct that BM hurts keyword spammers, but in some cases keyword spamming still has a bad effect on search results.
  • Many do add in keywords after the fact. We do send out warnings, edit keywords, and take actions. However this is time consuming and we need you help to find abusers. Please feel free to send us a sitemail.

FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!!
Everyone has a slightly different idea on what is okay. For that reason we are taking every keyword on a case per case basis. There are a few banned keywords (business, tv, ect) but most keywords do have a good music analogue. Remember this; that the keyword needs to PERFECTLY fit according to the ENGLIGH language and NORTH AMERICAN culture. 
Mirkic
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:45AM

I agree with everything!!! +1


And thanks for answering and shading light on some matters! 

(Edited on 2012-06-16 04:48:51 by Mirkic)
WoodenStudio
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:49PM

I just found out that there are some forbidden keywords, I agree and I think is fair for improving BM..


Could someone tell me if there's a thread were I can find a list of those banned kw ?


Thanks!
softpiano
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:54PM
Here it is

There are 8 pages.. But it is really worth reading them all
AudioGate
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:32PM
Effectively there are only a few banned keywords like business or tv , for describing music. The policy is about describing a fiile literally and exercising judgment so that it reflects buyer behaviour when using terms for searching files. You can use any term you judge that describes, accurately, your file. Vague and esoteric terms, established as practice by many contributors at iStock in the first few years, and then copied by aspiring ones, has caused buyers irritation as they search for a file, say "new age", and they get pages full of pop (and because these files remain in the library it serves as an example to new-comers). It decreases sales opportunities. It also hurts your BM as your views to sales ratio affects the selling power of a file.

One of the problems with contributor-led admin processes is that trust and collegiality underpin agreements with "policy". For example most adhere to the policy because of respect for the iStock community. All contributors go through the approved channels and have their files and keywords approved through the formal process. Some return to add silly terms believing that this will "up" the chances of a sale; neglecting to factor in that buyers have ears that correspond with their search terms.

I appreciate your particular challenges, Pug, but I also hope you can appreciate that I won't join the censorship of others as I feel it will lead to a bad atmosphere amongst contributors; and also I feel that self-moderation is the key to adherence through clear direction. The inspectors do a great job advising and guiding us - and many times I have refined my processes because of their time and commitment to explaining something- thanks guys - and I would personally dislike, greatly, being criticized through a reporting process, if I made a mistake. So, on the basis of that knowledge I'm abstaining from reporting others. I hope you can understand.
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