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davidjmorgan
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:51AM
Whilst I wait for scout I'm getting description rejection on a particular file, FOUR previous images from the same time and event have passed and getting views.


Clearly I am just too dumb to understand what the inspector is trying to tell me! so maybe you good folk can give me a pointer or too...imagine you are looking at an image of 3 parked Ducati motorcycles with limited people in the background, here is the caption.


"Gold Coast, Australia - May 17, 2009: Ducati motorcycle owners meet, an annual event for riders and owners of Ducati motorcycles, normally held on a Sunday in May attracts owners and riders form all over the country, organised events make the get together a week long event. Here 3 modern motorbikes are parked for inspection"


As I say, my stupidity at times frustrates me


Here is the rejection reason:


" The caption information in this submission appears to be inaccurate or misleading. All images must have an accurate production date, country of origin and accurate caption information to be accepted for royalty-free editorial use. Note that all captions must be submitted in english to be accepted. Captions must be in the format:

City, Country – Month Date, Year: Caption descriptive text."


David

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(Edited on 2012-06-16 06:39:35 by davidjmorgan)
theasis
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:30AM
Posted By davidjmorgan:
imagine you are looking at an image of...


Imagine we told you what the problem is.
Or you could show us the image

Also, are you sure that the date in the EXIF data matches the date in the caption?
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:41AM

Sorry showing photo opens up critique as to technique.... but your right so see above, yes have checked the EXIF all my photos are geo tagged so has coordinates as well as time of image taken.


David
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:56AM
I don't know if it's the reason, but there are people in the picture. It's worth a look at the Editorial manual for a refresher on how you need to address people in the picture - your caption should say something about who they are and what they are doing.
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:22AM

So Ducati riders and owners meeting for events, and able to inspect these 3 bikes (if they want to) is not an adequate explanation?


David
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:28AM
Posted By davidjmorgan:
So Ducati riders and owners meeting for events, and able to inspect these 3 bikes (if they want to) is not an adequate explanation?

Correct.
If the people in the picture are riders and owners, say that there are riders and owners in the picture. As it stands it's a general comment about the kinds of people that come to the event, not a specific description of the people in this image.

In particular, I'd be unlikely to assume that the child, for example, is either a rider or an owner.
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:02PM
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/I find that hard to equate! let say you take a picture of a crowd at the Queens Jubilee, are you saying as the photographer you need to identify and give a nomenclature to every person that appears in that picture?


Not to be provocative, but don't you think there are female riders of Ducati motorcycles and that they can have children?

David

(Edited on 2012-06-16 17:11:14 by davidjmorgan)
theasis
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:34PM
Posted By davidjmorgan:
Not to be provocative, but don't you think there are female riders of Ducati motorcycles and that they can have children?

Ah - you've outed me for the misogynist I am. Nothing provocative about that.

I'm just trying to help you get your pictures accepted. You're welcome.
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:53PM

I am sorry and I appreciate your help even though you may think I'm making excuses for what I did, I can assure you I'm not.


I am simply trying to understand and get in the mind of an inspector, I realise different inspectors view things in different ways, that is why the other 4 past! and maybe there is not a catchall for all inspectors.


When I create an editorial description I test it against this:


WHO:
WHEN:
WHAT:
WHERE:
WHY:
HOW:


The last one is always tough!


Again thanks, your comments are well placed and appreciated


David
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:22PM
You have said what kind of people attend the event. You haven't said what people are in your picture. If it's a crowd of Jubilee watchers, say so. If it's a family of bike enthusiasts, say so. If it's a woman and child, say so.

Currently you have the form: "Bike event that attracts people. Here are some bikes."
Try something more like: "Bike event that attracts people. Here are some bikes and {however you would describe the people}."
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:41PM

Maybe you are right, in reality the bikes are the focus of the picture not the people who could not be identified, on purpose, in the photo.


So thanks for your input, it just shouldn't be this hard to submit an image especially as we are talking about context and grammar not a photo, so still seeking input and scout will be final determination


Thanks


David
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:07AM
Here is your caption:


Gold Coast, Australia - May 17, 2009: Ducati motorcycle owners meet at Mount Tamborine, an annual event for riders and owners of Ducati motorcycles, normally held on a Sunday in May attracts owners and riders form all over the country, organised events make the get together a week long event. Here 3 modern motorbikes are parked for inspection.


Gold Coast is not correct here, Mount Tamborine(Goldcoast Hinderland), is a settlement/city in this case.


 


Your caption needs to read:


Mount Tamborine, Australia - date:


or


Mount Tamborine, Queensland, Australia - date:


Hope this helps.


 

(Edited on 2012-06-17 03:09:43 by subman)
theasis
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:33AM
Henk - just to be clear - the kid in the background doesn't need any further mention and I've been leading a wild goose chase?
subman
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:51AM
I would like to know if this is a park, next to the road, etc. Caption and picture needs to tell the story. I would like to see something like this:


Mount Tamborine, Queensland, Australia - date: Three Ducati motorcycles lined up next to each other in .....(location like park, parking lot etc), where people gather annually for a three day .....(name of Ducati event etc).

ETA: "People gather" should cover all people in the image in this example, bystanders, crowed etc could have been used.

The caption was efficient in this example. The front part of the caption was incorrect. There are a different rejection for the "right" side of the caption. Will mention something along the lines of incorrect or too short.


 

(Edited on 2012-06-17 03:53:33 by subman)
theasis
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:03AM
Thanks Henk.
Sorry for trying to take you the wrong way David.
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:03AM
Henk,


Again you take the time to help which I appreciate, my original caption had Mount Tamborine and was rejected, I then placed it as Gold Coast in actual fact Mount Tamborine comes under control of the Gold Coast City Council (GCCC) I can't expect non locals to understand that, that is why I included both City and Location in the caption.


Each of my images has GPS coordinates in the EXIF


Theasis: you tried to help, no foul in that


Henk,


Yes I can see the sense in saying 'people' as opposed to riders and owners, however in our present example that could be rejected for being misleading as there is half a person and a blurry child way in the background.


I'll submit a new one with a defined crowd along the lines discussed here however, I think Admin need to define city and location or have latitude to be flexible in what they ask, Mount Tamborine is not a city, Gold Coast is, Mount Tamborine is a shire of the Gold Coast, I know this because I live here and pay rates! I've seen another thread in the forum with reference to Miami and Miami Beach, I don't know but it does seem a similar issue.


David

(Edited on 2012-06-17 05:07:28 by davidjmorgan)
subman
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:23AM

I would suggest elaborating this in the description of your upload. If the original one was Mount Tamborine, the inspector made a mistake. Mount Tamborine is classified as a settlement with a zip/postal code, and acceptable as the "city" entry on the left side of the caption.


Again, I think supplying more information in the description will help the inspector to also make it easier for all of us.


If there are questions, feel free to sitemail me.


 
davidjmorgan
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:25AM

For Henk/Admin


In reference to the issue of City or location, this is an except from the Gold Coast City Council web site at


http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/t_standard2.aspx?pid=255


"Facts and figures


The Gold Coast is the sixth largest city in Australia and one of the fastest growing regions in our country. Covering an area of 1400 square kilometres, the city's boundaries extend from just south of Beenleigh to Coolangatta, taking in South Stradbroke Island and part of Moreton Bay and extending west to the hinterland of Mount Tamborine and the Lamington and Darlington Ranges."


Now in order to comply I have submitted an image with Mount Tamborine as the city knowing it is wrong! but either way I've had rejections
subman
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Posted Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:39AM

Cities can be defined as City/Town/dwelling. I understand metropolitan areas spread vast areas now.This is a perfect example. If I look at the town of Beenleigh in the 1950's, it was a town on it's own, now probable no definate difference between the whole area, if I had to caption a image from Beenleigh, I'll certainly put that in since it's an offical town, now for me, Mount Tamborine falls within this too. This is why I would have added Mount Tamborine on the "left" sie of my caption. I would have mentioned this is within the metropolitan area of Gold Coast, Greater/Outer Goldcoast, or what it is in the description.


Trying to supply the closest town/city/settlement(normaly that has/had own municipality) we can get to the place where the image was taken.


By supplying sufficient information in the caption and description will also help the inspector know that the "city" field is filled in correctly.


 
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