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RobMattingley
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Posted Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:42PM
I am nearing the point where I feel I need to buy a new camera.  My 450D has already had its shutter replaced a couple years back and I just feel that I should just break down and get something new.  I like the idea of full frame cameras so I am currently thinking I will get either the 5Dii, 5Diii, or the 6D (as photography isn't my full time job so I can't justify the 1D series!!).  So two questions:

1)  If money is no object, which of the three would you get knowing what you know now?
2)  If money is something to keep in mind (given that photography isn't my full time job), which would you suggest given the following prices in Canadian dollars:

5Dii with 24-105mm f/4L - $2599.99
5Diii with 24-105mm f/4L - $4199.99
6D with 24-105mm f/4L - $2899.99

My primary use for the camera would be to get great shots of my kids as they grow up, but stock photography would be right up there as well.  To me, I like the price of the 5Dii but I'm just afraid that I will get my heart set on it and then find out it is sold out everywhere (as I'm guessing Canon has stopped production - anyone know for sure?).

So what do you think?  I have read a few other reviews online and they are all mixed (as is one on here from earlier in the year just comparing the two 5D options), but I just wanted to come back to the iStock photography forum to ask where everyone has been so helpful in the past.

Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated!!  And if you feel that, given what I'll be using it for, that another camera such as the 7D should enter the conversation - feel free to let me know!

Thanks!
Rob
kbwills
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Posted Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:44PM
for me, money is always an object, but I got the 5D mk2 a year or two ago (even though I couldnt really afford it in ecnomic terms), and I have since then found no limitations that might lead me to consider the Mk3 or the 6D...
blackwaterimages
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Posted Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:58PM
There is no shortage of Mark IIs, so thats a huge bargain. The Mark III is "better" in ways I don't care about, so if I were sticking with Canon (jumped over to Fuji mostly) I'd go with the Mark II. The 7D I owned  produced acceptable, but not great images. It definitely didn't live up to the Mark II's output but the one advantage it has is a nice, fast frame rate - which might be a reasonable consideration if you're chasing your kids around. 3fps  on the Mark II is pathetic and the Mark III is only margainally better. I love picking up my 1 Series film bodies because they sound like a machinegun going through all those frames... gotta spend big bucks for that in digital though.
slobo
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Posted Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:18PM
Since you are considering it, go for 5D mkIII. It has everything better than the other two but mainly WAY better auto focus which you will need to capture sharp images of your kids running around.
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Posted Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:05PM
Posted By slobo:
Since you are considering it, go for 5D mkIII. It has everything better than the other two but mainly WAY better auto focus which you will need to capture sharp images of your kids running around.

Agree completely. I had a similar dilemma about two years ago Rob - kids/sports/etc. vs stock. At that time for me it was 5DII vs 7D (vs 1DMkIV...the "if money no object" candidate then ). I went with 5DII and have had no regrets at all vis-a-vis stock. None! But it's lousy at best for anything moving any faster than a crawl. So with the current Canon choices available right now - and I'm considering it actually - it would be 5DIII if I was buying "soon".
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:57AM
If you seriously want to consider the 6D then you'll need to wait until it is in production, and properly tested in its production form.

It is full-frame, but has a body size similar to that of the 60D. Auto-focus has a menu to itself, giving flexibility on that front. Frame rate is 4.5 fps. You won't be able to use EF-S lenses with this camera (not a problem for me, but a consideration if you own a few).

But current reviews talk only about the paper specs, and not the actual camera performance and images produced. It's not possible to make an assessment yet. My early impression is that your other options are bigger, heavier, more professional cameras, regarding their construction. For the time being, you cannot compare image quality across all of your candidates.

My own choice was the 7D - for action in the natural history arena. I've also used its video facility to become an exclusive videographer here. I've had no cause to regret that decision.
HeliRy
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:12AM
Get the 5Dii and use the extra money saved from the III for another lens
CraigRJD
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:55AM
Posted By HeliRy:
Get the 5Dii and use the extra money saved from the III for another lens smile

I would do the same as HeliRy ... get the 5DII .... 
RobMattingley
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:48AM
Thanks everyone for your opinions - very much appreciated! If anyone else stumbles upon this thread and want to give their two cents, I'd love to hear from you too!
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:09AM
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/I'd get a used 5DII from a reputable camera store (and trade in any old kit I didn't use, too). With the new 5D mkIII coming out, there must be a few well cared for mk IIs available...


ETA meant to say get a mkII

(Edited on 2012-10-21 10:16:04 by simonbradfield)
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:23AM
If you shoot moving subjects a lot, then I think the 5d3 is a no brainier. The AF is much better than the 5d2 for action stuff. Apart from that I don't think there are any crucial differences. The 3 has a lot of cool improvements, but image quality is near identical and none of the upgrades are particularly life changing. I do use silent shooting in churches quite a lot though, which makes be grab for the 3 more than the 2. Either are great cameras.
RobMattingley
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:06AM
I didn't realize that the 5d2 was that bad at moving subjects - as with the kids still being really young, I really need to keep that in mind.  It almost sounds like I need to save up another $1600 and go with the 5d3. 

Keep the opinions coming folks - I'm really appreciating the feedback!
HeliRy
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:02AM
I've owned both the XSi and the T3i... now those have crappy auto focuses. In my opinion the 5Dii a/f blows the Rebels out of the water (as it should). Still not perfect but if you've learned to shoot with these kind of camera like I did, you'll find the II a stunning revelation buddy

You'll really enjoy having a camera you can take beyond iso 100 and come away with perfectly useable shots too lol.
ClarkandCompany
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:12PM
Sell all that Canon stuff and buy a D800
keithferrisphoto
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:49PM
If money is no object get a 5DIII. If it is get a 5DII. There's lots of 5DII's going around used since people are upgrading to the III so I would suggest that route if you decide you can't afford a 5DIII.
EricFerguson
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Posted Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:41PM
The 5DIII is the clear, clear winner here. 6D is a HUGE step down. If you can afford it, get the 5DIII
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Posted Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:26AM
Posted By simonbradfield: "...used 5DII from a reputable camera store"

Used 1DSMKII & used 5DMKII both running ~1500USD here & now, I think.  Good value.  Seems worth considering the new 24-70 if you really need a "zoom" to pair w/ the used body.  The 85 f/1.8 w/ current discount (even without) is a best buy for IQ/$.
RobMattingley
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Posted Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:03PM
Posted By EricFerguson:
The 5DIII is the clear, clear winner here. 6D is a HUGE step down. If you can afford it, get the 5DIII

That's what I was afraid of - but if that is the case, it just means I'll have to wait until the spring to get a new camera (to save up the extra money) rather than this winter. 
wdstock
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Posted Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:17PM
Here's another possibility. How much have you invested in Canon lenses and the rest of the Canon system? Have you considered switching to Nikon? The D600 has enough resolution for XXXL, 4 cross points in its autofocus system, and Nikon seems to be making better sensors these days than Canon. The D600 body is $2100 vs. $3500 for the 5D3 body. Food for thought at least.
RobMattingley
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Posted Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:37PM
Posted By wdstock:
Here's another possibility. How much have you invested in Canon lenses and the rest of the Canon system? Have you considered switching to Nikon? The D600 has enough resolution for XXXL, 4 cross points in its autofocus system, and Nikon seems to be making better sensors these days than Canon. The D600 body is $2100 vs. $3500 for the 5D3 body. Food for thought at least. smile

Sure, throw another wrench into the decision!!  Haha!! 

But no, I would be willing to "jump ship" so to speak if it is the right decision.  I don't have a TON invested into Canon (a few cheap lenses and the 430EXII flash), so now might be the time to switch?  It would be a tough call though to change teams this late in the game!
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