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VogelAudio
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Posted Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:15PM

Recently, I have been receiving denials on tracks with string samples.  I am using String Sessions Pro and I am sure to use various articulations (pizzicato, spiccato, legato) and techniques such as glissandi and dynamics in order to make the strings sound realistic.  I have listened to the canon of tracks with string samples and can hear nothing different in our fellow contributors tracks.  What gives?  Have you guys experienced this feedback as of late?  Short of hiring an orchestra, what are some pointers? 


N.B. I should mention that I have my undergraduate in music composition and I am currently a full-time high school music teacher (AP Theory and Guitar), so I am not an amateur when it comes to composition. 
AudioGate
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Posted Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:12AM
Use MIDI breath control to create a less sampled sound. Some older files are less nuanced so if you compare your recent composition with these you may hear few differences. And one of the inspectors has extremely high standards with orchestral music (as his works are of this genre) and he probably has a discriminating ear for the detail.

I'm sure your compositions are great so don't get insecure about the rejection as making samples sound real takes a lot of time and you need to find what works well for you given this challenge.
bononiasound
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Posted Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:00AM
Vogel it could help if you would post a watermarked version of your track (maybe on soundcloud or another music social network) in order to receive feedback by the community on this issue. I had the same problem using some vocal samples from Cinesamples Voxos© which I think it's one of the most vigorous instrument for choir productions and I love its legatos, but it was questioned here.
WoodenStudio
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:33PM
It happened the same to me. A full serie of christmas songs were rejected because the "low quality" of the string samples. The funniest thing is that I just bought some new strings to have more quality than I had before, and what I find?? files rejeted after spending my money to improve the quality of my sound.  Some orchestral tracks I uploaded some months ago were accepted and they were done with "cheap" strings... I think I'm using well the articulations and everything so I cannot understand this rejection. What should I do? Should I forget from now to do string compositions?? Do you think guys that session strings and L.A scoring strings are low quality libraries?? I was very excited with the realism of my new strings and now I'm really disappointed. Don't think it is fair.

(Edited on 2012-11-12 16:51:35 by WoodenStudio)
Mirkic
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:17PM

Scout ticket


AudioGate may be right and you've stumbled upon one nasty reviewer when it comes to orchestral music! Yet he sucks in ping-pong  


Really, if you think the file has been overlooked or something, send a scout ticket and receive more detailed answer or get the file accepted. 
mitja2
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:23PM
Any sound examples of the rejected files? It's hard to help if we can't hear....
WoodenStudio
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:56PM
I already sent a scout ticket, I'm waiting for answer. Anyway I'm starting to record an alternative string arrangement. I guess that is better to work than to complain. If this second one is rejected Ill try to link it so you can opine.

(Edited on 2012-11-12 18:09:51 by WoodenStudio)
thepugnatious
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:06PM

We finally got to your ticket… I hope the response explains everything.


As a general response…


Remember a few things when composing with samples, especially string samples:



  • Programming is more important than the samples themselves. It is not enough to simply choose the correct articulation you need to volume graph each note with midi, Humanize performances, add reverb, doublle weak sections, and more. 
  • Strings and Pianos are especially problematic. This is true because we hear these samples every day, they are so common the general level of quality needs to be higher to accept.
  • Our inspectors… one is a very accomplished pianist… The other an accomplished orchestral composer… 
  • Collection quality. We reject for your own good We want to ensure that we are only placing tracks that are at a very high quality. This quality level is naturally increasing as new talented contributors join our ranks. Therefore some thing that was fine in 2010 may no longer make the cut.
  • Finally Submit a scout ticket. We get too few of these, and many times we overturn the rejection. Not that the original inspector was wrong, but rather because you were close to that line and we are okay with allowing it into the collection. In addition it allows us to give you some persepctive on what exactly we felt was weak/strong in your production.
WoodenStudio
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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:38AM
Thanks for the answer. Finally the track was accepted and I got a very precise explanation in the scout ticket answer. I appreciate your help. I guess I'll have to practice more with my new software.
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