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Lobo
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 2:21PM
Let me tell you. People are going to provide it anyway. So why shouldn't we add it to our analysis? Try and remember that everyone has a different perspective on all this. So it's a good thing we have all this different data to work with. As you can imagine, our focus has mainly been on how the buyer sees things. We have started to invest a considerable amount of time on the perpectives of contributors, for reasons that we feel have been explained in this thread by your peers.

That said, we will always tip in the direction of the Buyer experience. The data provided by contributors is extremely helpful as you are all very aware when things change. Buyers don't come into the forums to complain about how their files aren't showing up as they feel they should. Contributors most certainly do.

(Edited on 2013-02-08 14:23:15 by Lobo)
simonbradfield
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 2:32PM
Well, my files seem to show up quite nicely in BM searches (my usual Sydney Opera House test search looks pretty good to me). The problem is nothing much is selling. I'm on half of what I was doing last year. For months I've been banging on about iStock attracting new customer (as have plenty of others) and, as far as I am concerned, no one listened. Sales collapse. Motivation gone. No more uploads from me. Bravo.
mightyisland
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 2:33PM
I've not read this entire thread, but is there anything beneficial to sorting things that we can add here? Such as upload dates of last 20 downloads etc?
fotoVoyager
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 2:38PM

Posted By Lobo:
Let me tell you. People are going to provide it anyway. So why shouldn't we add it to our analysis? Try and remember that everyone has a different perspective on all this. So it's a good thing we have all this different data to work with. As you can imagine, our focus has mainly been on how the buyer sees things. We have started to invest a considerable amount of time on the perpectives of contributors, for reasons that we feel have been explained in this thread by your peers.

That said, we will always tip in the direction of the Buyer experience. The data provided by contributors is extremely helpful as you are all very aware when things change. Buyers don't come into the forums to complain about how their files aren't showing up as they feel they should. Contributors most certainly do.

(Edited on 2013-02-08 14:23:15 by Lobo)



It's true you can never have too much data I suppose.
nkbimages
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 3:01PM
I still don't see any positive movement with new files.  Even if they're are downloaded they still sink back 10 or more pages (sorted by 200 per page).  There used to be a steady, slow downward movement for files not downloaded much per month or much per view and a steady, slow upward movement for files that were being downloaded.  That still is not happening.  I would love to start shooting and uploading more but every week I test the BM by uploading a few files and every week they sink and dissapear (even if downloaded)
brittak
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 7:04PM
Posted By aprott:

Most obvious when some win others loose - I don't think that iStock sells more just because of changing BM

Not necessarily. A very good BM (and search function) might attract more buyers that have disappeared the last half year.
filo
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013 8:54PM
I seem to mostly be selling older files still. New files don't seem to have a chance. I know if customer's were presented with my newer work more, they would be downloading it over some of the older files that seem to be getting downloads lately.
olaser
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:32AM
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Posted By filo:
I seem to mostly be selling older files still. New files don't seem to have a chance. I know if customer's were presented with my newer work more, they would be downloading it over some of the older files that seem to be getting downloads lately.

I doubt they can promote new files. All the getty/agency images have the same upload date (instead of keeping their actual original upload date) which means the getty/agency files will again flood the searches.
shank_ali
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:51AM

Of course the BM should be geared for buyers but in the past newly accepted content had a small window of opportunity to climb the search.This has been removed for months now for the most part.


I hope the next tweek in the BM will be geared towards new content, that has been in the library for 6 months, with no action.
kelvinjay
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:20AM
Another reminder that the topic here under discussion is the Best Match, not what you are selling recently or when you are seeing sales. Please stay on topic. Thank you.
kelvinjay
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:33AM

Posted By mightyisland:
I've not read this entire thread, but is there anything beneficial to sorting things that we can add here? Such as upload dates of last 20 downloads etc?


Thanks for the offer but that's not of any great benefit. iStock already has the data on what has sold. We don't need sales data or a sales discussion here.

What can help though is people posting specific issues with the BM sort order. We know that many people want to see newer files given a chance to gain some more attention, without banishing all of the good, relevant and selling files from any particular set of search results.

If anyone has any observations about the current BM search results, preferably beyond "New files need more of a boost", which I think we may have sufficient number of now, we'd definitely welcome them.

Thanks.
NicolasMcComber
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 7:17AM
Posted By olaser:
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Posted By filo:
I seem to mostly be selling older files still. New files don't seem to have a chance. I know if customer's were presented with my newer work more, they would be downloading it over some of the older files that seem to be getting downloads lately.


I doubt they can promote new files. All the getty/agency images have the same upload date (instead of keeping their actual original upload date) which means the getty/agency files will again flood the searches.

Can someone confirm /infirm this? If this means that images uploaded in the last quarter of 2012 are unfairly being brought down because of issues with controlling the appearance of ingested files, it'd be nice to know, and perhaps have the option of reuploading some files from that window...
kelvinjay
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 7:25AM
My understanding was that the changes referred to in this post, were a response to the issue of of excess Agency files dominating searches. Assuming those dials are working correctly, I don't really see how olaser's assertions can be right.

As for deactivating files and re uploading them, that behaviour is generally frowned upon.

(Edited on 2013-02-09 07:25:52 by kelvinjay)
NicolasMcComber
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 7:53AM
thanks kel
ilbusca
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:47AM

Middle age (2010-2012) files still buried. It's almost 6000 files for me.


Can you do something, please?
lagereek
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:22AM

Agree!  ofcourse BM should be geared towards buyers. I still maintain to make it as easy as possible for buyers to quickly actually find the picture/s they are looking for. In todays world, speed is of the essence.


Now when searching, on the left is a labyrint of differant options, diagrams, sliders, collections, this and that. Might be OK for a regular buyer but for a first timer or just sporadic buyers, it must be very difficult indeed and thats just to work all the functions, never mind buying.


Sure, give the exclusives the upper hand, fair enough but on the whole its got to be an easier way, a more managable way to find the stuff.


BTW. I do find that the present BM is improving, slowly though but it is.
hinzundkunz
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:41AM

Bm is focused only on the big Seller.  If you have a small portfolio, the file has not a chance. (9 Views 5 Downloads ). Good? No!!! You will never find these files, unless you start from the back.
princigalli
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:29AM
Posted By hinzundkunz:

Bm is focused only on the big Seller.  If you have a small portfolio, the file has not a chance. (9 Views 5 Downloads ). Good? No!!! You will never find these files, unless you start from the back.

If this is true, than we have a hugheir needs.e problem. And buyers too can't expect to find the perfect match for their needs.
Maulsmasher
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:25AM
Posted By hinzundkunz:

Bm is focused only on the big Seller.  If you have a small portfolio, the file has not a chance. (9 Views 5 Downloads ). Good? No!!! You will never find these files, unless you start from the back.

I'm not sure this is accurate. I only have a small portfolio at the moment and currently my files show up in the first few pages on various serach criteria. My views aren't so hot, but it is my understanding only views of folks logged in are counted...
olaser
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:47AM
Posted By NicolasMcComber:

Posted By olaser:
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Posted By filo:
I seem to mostly be selling older files still. New files don't seem to have a chance. I know if customer's were presented with my newer work more, they would be downloading it over some of the older files that seem to be getting downloads lately.



I doubt they can promote new files. All the getty/agency images have the same upload date (instead of keeping their actual original upload date) which means the getty/agency files will again flood the searches.


Can someone confirm /infirm this? If this means that images uploaded in the last quarter of 2012 are unfairly being brought down because of issues with controlling the appearance of ingested files, it'd be nice to know, and perhaps have the option of reuploading some files from that window...


Do you know any files on Getty and IStock? If you do, compare the upload date.


 
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