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brittak
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Posted Wed Dec 5, 2012 11:21PM
I was preparing a batch request on Masai and searched masai+nobody to see if that would show me all those images where there are no Masai or Masai culture but wild animals from Masai Mara (have put in the request). To my surprice one of my own images #19873257 turned up. As there is a man herding cattle in the image I thought I had made a misstake and was going to correct it.  I then found that a great number of keywords, most of them more or less relevant had been added, some however doubtful (climate, physical description) and some definitely wrong like: nobody, concept (why? what concept).


My question is who added the keywords? the inspector? I am informed if keywords are removed, should I not be informed if they are added. To me the the result in this case looks very much like spamming. That said, I am happy to get help with keywording as English is not my native language and I sometimes find it difficult to get all the relevant keywords.


The file is an Agency, could it have to do with transfer to Getty??

(Edited on 2012-12-05 23:22:18 by brittak)
Whiteway
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 1:59AM
I shall be interested to hear the answer.

I believe that Getty Images does its own keywording. On the other hand, I found an instance where a title over one of my images seemed to have been changed (here on iStock), identifying the subject as the wrong kind of deer.
brittak
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 7:29AM
I have looked a little more and it seems that my Agency files have had keywords added but as far as I can see not Vettas or E+(have not checked everyone).


I must say that it would never have occured to me to add many of the keywords that are now there, I can not see how it helps a buyer find suitable images. Let me give one more example.


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Among the keywords added were:


Parkland, built structure, place of work, household equippment. kitchen utensil, concepts, natural Phenomenon, slaughterhouse none of which seem relevant.


Others that may be true but unlikely what the buyer is looking for using these keywords are:


work tool, hand tool, touching, holding, moving ativity,


For the poor goat the following words are used:


goat, animal, vertebrate, mammal, hoofed animal, animal bodypart, animal blood


all true but doubt if they would be useful in a search (they, and I forgot carcass and farm animal!).


Some I just don't understand:


image technique, Image type, Candidate Vocabulary, Un-placed Synonyms

(Edited on 2012-12-06 07:31:35 by brittak)
ducksandwich
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 7:34AM
I'll investigate here. Stay tuned. 
anchev
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 10:54AM
Thanks to the guy who forwarded me here.

I had just posted here about the same problem. I hope we get some urgent answers before our files are diluted in search results.
sjlocke
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:00AM
Yes, I am seeing weirdness. This one, for example .

Looks to me like all the parent categories for a keyword are showing up. Like in that, one, I remember keywording "waistcoat" for "vest", but it also shows "garment" and "clothing".

For Britta's, for example, "parkland (natural state)" is likely a parent of the specific park she listed. Same for the rest.
jonathansloane
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:09AM

And this. I was just going to post the same. Along with bizarre keywords like "Unsorted Legacy Terms". What?


ETA: I get it. What Sean said.

(Edited on 2012-12-06 11:27:29 by jonathansloane)
ducksandwich
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:36AM

These KW additions only apply to both iStock and Getty Images generated Agency content. As some of you know, the iStock and Getty vocabularies vary somewhat and to make content searchable on both sites some KWs have been added. If you are experincing specific weirdness as per the examples posted here, send me a sitemail and I'll look at the specific files. 


I've alerted Keywords about the addition of useless KWs like Un-placed Synonyms and Candidate Vocabulary and he's looking into it. Stay tuned. 


 
sjlocke
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:42AM
Every one of my Agency images has more than 50 keywords, says DeepMeta. This one has 97 keywords.

Are those all specifically weird enough, or is there a leveled of granulated weirdness you're looking for?
ParkerDeen
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:42AM
haha, I was just going to mention BOTH of those KW's that showed up in one of mine ! 
anchev
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:45AM
Then why the keywords added on iStock are not on Getty too?

In the BM thread we were told how important relevancy is and that customers search with 1 term mostly. Now we see more keywords added to our files and they are irrelevant (e.g. #21694892 - Built Structure, Building Feature, Form of Communication).

I am really worried. 
ducksandwich
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 12:02PM

Sean: Content on GI.com doesn't have a KW limit and while you can't add more than 50 KWs to your file, we can. 


Georgi: The term Form of Communication relates here to Facial Expression and Smiling in the GI.com CV. Built Structure relates to the Buidlings behind and below the subject here and Building Feature is a parent term of Roof. 
sjlocke
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 12:17PM
Right, I get it, but the simple solution of just including the parent terms has resulted in the weirdness. 150 of my images have that "legacy" keyword in there.
anchev
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:23PM

So - can we expect those added words will be removed automatically by iStock or we take care ourselves to clean up? And if we do it ourselves - is there any guarantee they won't be re-added again some time?

Having in view:

- the BM discussion and that people search generally for smaller number of keywords and they must be relevant
- the keyword removals I have had in inspections (because of irrelevancy)
- the idea to serve content better to the customers

I guess these additional artificially added words don't help but just the opposite - they have negative influence. 

So - what should we do? 
ducksandwich
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:29PM
What should you do? Sit tight. As I mentioned previously, Keywords is aware of the situation and we are looking into a fix. Stay tuned. 
anchev
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:34PM
Ok. Thank you.

Please keep us informed. 
Thomas_EyeDesign
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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2012 4:56PM
Yep! added keywords on all my Agency, ex: 22104713 (79) keywords.
ducksandwich
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Posted Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:23AM
UPDATE: We're batching the useless keywords out of yr files. Everything should look about right within a day. We apologize for any concern this may have created. 
anchev
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Posted Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:15AM
Thanks for the feedback. Waiting for the cleanup.
tombonatti
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Posted Fri Dec 7, 2012 1:48PM
I have almost same problem with lots of files (both videos and images). I can't edit some of my files' keywords for months. I just realized that, this issue is affected the downloads very negatively.

You can look at this one for example:
/stock-photo-6993757-realistic-globe-usa-canada-mexico-north-pole.php

This file was a very good seller in previous years. However, downloads almost stopped in 2012, just after keyword editing issue. I need to add / remove the keywords continually, because I always improve my English...

I have lots of files like this, and I still can't edit keywords of those files. I have also sent a message to Contributor Relations (in October 2012), but didn't get any reply. Please help me. Thanks in advance.

(Edited on 2012-12-07 16:09:55 by tombonatti)
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