Google Stealing Images, or Another "Deal"

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EricFerguson
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:49PM
Posted By mr_erin:
we do know that Google paid for these images and have a license to use them, this is not a promo deal like MS.

You have GOT to be kidding. So we get paid a few dollars once to license these images to Google, who will distribute them for free, forever?  The iStock standard (and extended, for that matter) license agreement specifically forbids this... for good reason. Criiiikey.
mightyisland
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:53PM
Surely they can't profit from it - they can't sell images to a third-party without the contributor getting paid - IS don't own the copyright on the image.

I would assume a deal like this with Google or whatever would be a very simple copyright infringement?
Antipunk
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:53PM

this is mind blowing... explains why my sells have dropped off a cliff. i havent had a sell in 2 months almost. THANKS ISTOCK!


i think it's time to delete my account and say f this place.
PeskyMonkey
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:54PM
Another day... more bs.
sjlocke
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:58PM

Posted By mr_erin:
Just FYI - we do know that Google paid for these images and have a license to use them, this is not a promo deal like MS. We're gathering the details on the license, this was done via the Getty Images sales so royalties would have come through that channel. We're looking into when this would have or will be visible to you as well.


Thank you. I don't think I'm going to like anything that comes out of this. I don't recall a statement for "perpetually giving away my content for free" being part of any existing license. Initially paid or not. Unless the initial payment is $20k per image for redistribution rights (full to me, not split). I chose to be exclusive so my distribution was limited to one location. I will accept distribution from Getty as well, as a parent company. However, I do not want my content shopped all over the internet to these legal warez sites to anyone with $25 and a penchant for satisfying freeloaders.

(Edited on 2013-01-10 14:00:25 by sjlocke)
tjhunt
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:58PM

When we get an update on this issue, could we please also get a list of other iStock/Getty-lead promotional uses of our work that we may not know about? They'll be found in time, anyway, as this one was, along with the Microsoft deal, etc. to much ... what's the opposite of fanfare? iStock is becoming a master at crowdsourcing rage.


Anyway, it'd be nice to know how our images are being used by our distributor, and would help us make decisions on whether we want to allow that usage by remaining Exclusive, or on the site at all. Thanks.
CMicare
Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:59PM

Hi--I wanted to introduce myself; I suppose now is as good a time as ever! I am Claudia Micare and I manage Contributor Relations at Getty Images and now I am working with iStock. There is so much conjecture here that I am afraid the string is more confusing than anything else so I wanted to ask that you hold on any more assumptions. As soon as we have all of the information we need we will post it for you. Yes it is not great that we didn't have this information ahead of it launching. New kinds of opportunities are happening very quickly these days, but we should have had this information earlier, that is not even a debate and we are working on this too in the background.


When we post the detail there will be a lot to talk about I am sure. Questions and observations are fine but to avoid confusion and misinformation we should stick to the facts we have now. We are working on getting you more as we speak.
Difydave
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:00PM

It seems to me that there is a world of difference between being automatically opted in to real legitimate promotional use, and being opted in to some giveaway scheme with no visible benefit to contributors.


The question I asked earlier "Can iStock please explain what actually is the benefit of these arrangements please? Or even what was hoped to be achieved?" wasn't rhetorical. I'd like to know that there is some rational reasoning behind all this. Even if the benefits can't be discussed because they commercially sensitive in some way, then at least let us know that this is the case.
sjlocke
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:04PM

Posted By CMicare:
When we post the detail there will be a lot to talk about I am sure. Questions and observations are fine but to avoid confusion and misinformation we should stick to the facts we have now. We are working on getting you more as we speak.


Thanks Claudia. Here are the only facts I know:
1. Google is hosting and supplying, for free, without attribution, license or link, Vetta and Agency content at sizes up to 1,600px,1,600px.
2. Getty has negotiated an unknown deal with Google without acknowledging or informing the copyright holders of that content.
anchev
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:04PM
I don't understand why everyone from the staff says you don't have the information. Where is the information? How come you first make a deal and then there is no information?

This is really confusing. 
alexskopje
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:04PM
Do we get paid for this?
busypix
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:04PM

Just out of curiosity, have any of you affected contributors checked to see if you've recieved an EL on your images that have been included in the Google Drive stock search? Based on what mr_erin said, if Google has paid for them, and assuming they were purchased more than a month or so ago, you should see an EL for each one, right?


(not saying that makes any of this right... just curious if you've received payment)
anchev
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:06PM
@busypix - there is no license (even EL) which allows sublicensing. This is confirmed by iStock's CE in an email too and in the ASA.
CMicare
Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:06PM
Difydave: Fair question, thanks for the leeway to hold back where we have to. Absolutely there is rational reasoning behind this initiative and needless to say with a client like this one, real potential we hope in the future.
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:07PM
Posted By alexskopje:
Do we get paid for this?

If yes - Peanuts.
BrendanHunter
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:09PM

Hello Claudia.


I've avoided commenting as I haven't seen my own files being used in this system and I still want to give Istock the benefit of doubt. However, your post has done nothing to allay my concerns and instead sent them skyrocketing. 


Are we to gather from your post that Istock knew about this "opportunity" and did nothing to gather the appropriate information and inform contributors before it was discovered? 
sjlocke
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:10PM

Posted By busypix:

Just out of curiosity, have any of you affected contributors checked to see if you've recieved an EL on your images that have been included in the Google Drive stock search? Based on what mr_erin said, if Google has paid for them, and assuming they were purchased more than a month or so ago, you should see an EL for each one, right?


Out of 3 I checked, one with none, one with a multi-seat from 2011, and an electronic items for resale last July. Nothing that stands out by having the 5 zeros I would require for something like this.
Juanmonino
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:12PM
20 k per image? the contributor should get al least 20% $4000 per image, no contributor received a penny so far (as far as I know)
dcdp
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:14PM
Posted By sjlocke:
Posted By busypix:

Just out of curiosity, have any of you affected contributors checked to see if you've recieved an EL on your images that have been included in the Google Drive stock search? Based on what mr_erin said, if Google has paid for them, and assuming they were purchased more than a month or so ago, you should see an EL for each one, right?


Out of 3 I checked, one with none, one with a multi-seat from 2011, and an electronic items for resale last July. Nothing that stands out by having the 5 zeros I would require for something like this.

It sounds like it was run straight out of Getty which would mean any royalties would come from Getty not iStock.
mlwinphotoCLOSED
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:19PM

Two questions:


1.  How do we search for our images on Google Drive?


2.  From what I am reading both here and on the Getty forums it appears that some/many of the images available for free download are RM.  How can an image that is available this way continue to be sold as RM through Getty as once it is downloaded for free I would imagine it would be hard to keep track of....?
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