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sjlocke
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:46AM
Someone sent me a link to this page, wherein Google describes acquiring 5,000 images for use in their Google Drive program. I don't use Google apps, so I thought I would check it out.

google_1

Basically, you go to https://drive.google.com and create a new document. Then you "insert" and select "image". Then in the dialog, you pick "Search" and "Stock Photo". I type in "student"...

google_2

The first image that comes up is mine.

Once I select it, it puts it into my document at 1,066 x 1,600. No attribution. No meta-data. No license. No link.

WTF. I'm serious. Their link about copyright says "When using the Google Image Search feature in Google Docs, your results will be filtered to include images labeled with a license that allows you to copy the image for commercial purposes and modify it in ways specified in the license.". Now the search is titled "stock images" which makes me think these were acquired directly from iStock.

Some more searching, and some of my tailgate images are there, damn it. BTW, these are all Vetta images!!!

seangoog

Another for "exam room".

Anyone want to tell me what is going on?






Google Drive HQ responses

Any further significant responses from HQ will be either copied to the OP of this thread or added to any new thread on this topic. Here are the pertinent points so far (click on the name to go to a post to see it in context):


Posted By oldladybird:

Hey Everyone, let's not jump to conclusions. It doesn't do anyone any good. I am working to get details on this. What I do know for sure is that it's neither a scam nor a duplication of the Microsoft deal.



Posted By Lobo:

Apologize for any delays in getting in here. It's been a busy day of communication at all levels this morning so I hope to have some feedback and comments for you all later this afternoon.

I have to advise you all to please try and stay on topic in here. Any diversions from the topic of Google Drive will be deleted.

Have patience, everyone. We will get back in here shortly.



Posted By mr_erin:

Apologies we haven't come back with more details yet but as Brenda and Lobo have mentioned we're pulling this together as quickly as we can and will share more information as soon as possible. Unfortunately we were not up to speed on this deal which is definitely not ideal, but please give us a bit more time to gather the facts and then we can take it from there.



Posted By mr_erin:

Just FYI - we do know that Google paid for these images and have a license to use them, this is not a promo deal like MS. We're gathering the details on the license, this was done via the Getty Images sales so royalties would have come through that channel. We're looking into when this would have or will be visible to you as well.






Posted By CMicare:

Hi--I wanted to introduce myself; I suppose now is as good a time as ever! I am Claudia Micare and I manage Contributor Relations at Getty Images and now I am working with iStock. There is so much conjecture here that I am afraid the string is more confusing than anything else so I wanted to ask that you hold on any more assumptions. As soon as we have all of the information we need we will post it for you. Yes it is not great that we didn't have this information ahead of it launching. New kinds of opportunities are happening very quickly these days, but we should have had this information earlier, that is not even a debate and we are working on this too in the background.


When we post the detail there will be a lot to talk about I am sure. Questions and observations are fine but to avoid confusion and misinformation we should stick to the facts we have now. We are working on getting you more as we speak.



Posted By CMicare:

Difydave: Fair question, thanks for the leeway to hold back where we have to. Absolutely there is rational reasoning behind this initiative and needless to say with a client like this one, real potential we hope in the future.



Posted By CMicare:

We will come back on this tomorrow. Clearly there are a lot of questions that need answering and a lot to explore here. I just wanted to let you know that we will need at least several more hours to give you the clear picture and information, solutions etc. We know you are waiting so no more reminders are needed about the fact that you are waiting.


I honestly understand why we see so many of those reminders in this string, I am aware that you have been patient about a good number of things for quite some time. For that I am sorry. We are working on this--see you tomorrow.



Posted By CMicare:

I know you are in a hurry and we are too.


It is 4:30 NY time, 2:30 in Calgary and 1:30 Seattle time so it is infact still the day we said we would get back to you. We are getting there.


Regarding claims against our customer that they are using images illegally; again they are not and that Getty broke your contract this is false. Again we will come back today.

(Edited on 2013-01-11 14:37:38 by CMicare)




Posted By CMicare:
Posted By fstop123:

""isn't it the task of iStock to monitor and police any illegal use of our images?


That certainly _was_ supposed to be one of the perks of being iStock Exclusive - since "they knew all of the sales of a given image".""


Is this still in effect?  HQ, please answer, I need to know.

We do--in fact we are deveolping technology that at some point will likely make this extremely efficient.

There are plenty of complaints about sending examples. To be clear--- no one is required to send examples. If you want to--send them please to CE rather than posting them here so they will be addressed.



(Edited on 2013-01-11 14:49:01 by kelvinjay)
jjneff
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:55AM
Shafted! This is awful!!! There are no words for this, iStock has to know about this as these images are not watermarked. iStock made a license deal with Google and you got the shaft! Great images by the way, just do some more searching and see for yourself. 

(Edited on 2013-01-10 06:03:38 by jjneff)
Whiteway
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:01AM
Check MichaelJay's post on this page
OliverChilds
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:03AM
This is very alarming please provide immediate answers.
crossbrain66
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:07AM
Wow, no need to buy images anymore!
dem10
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:20AM
very bad news
guenterguni
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:22AM
I just downloaded a Vetta file from one of our german speaking contributors there.


I have got this:
1600 x 1066 pixel
All exif datas are empty, copyright says "unknown", no word of the photographer, iStock, nothing.


If I would buy this file here in Europe in the similar size SMALL it will cost me EUR 82,75 with translates into USD 107,50. I just saved quite a lot of money, haven´t I...


Oh no, this is so bad, so unbelievable.

(Edited on 2013-01-10 06:22:56 by guenterguni)
sodafish
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:33AM
Not sure if I should laugh or cry.
At least I'm starting to understand why IS says their financial figures are as expected, compared to those of it's contributors.

(Edited on 2013-01-10 06:38:48 by sodafish)
lostinbids
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:36AM

I found this on the google docs site


cc0f1455e71760d39b8f76e9c0cbc70a


http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&p=docs_image_search&answer=179622


To me this reads


"These images magically turned up with us, if you use them then it is not our responsibility.  You can use them commercially, but you have to check if you should pay (but good luck with that as we stripped the data out)"
anchev
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:36AM
What can we do?
MoreISO
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:41AM
I would be very surprised to find there also images from Getty subagencies like CSA or similar... 

Why the worst part of this business is only (and always) for the loyal exclusive contributors?
sidsnapper
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:42AM
Im also a Getty contributor, just checked this out and found loads of my images, all sold on my recent statement as Premium access time limited, yet I can DL all for free, FFS I dont work my ass of in the studio to give pictures away. 
JBryson
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:43AM
Posted By sjlocke:


Anyone want to tell me what is going on?

Probably not.
guenterguni
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:44AM

Yes, iStock, you are really a great "distributor" of our work. Ok, you distribute them for FREE, but that is not that important, isn´t it?


 
jjneff
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:45AM

Here it is in english. iStock has a valuable product, Google is a big business, iStock approaches Google and offers some content for Google doc. use, iStock says Google can license it for $$$$ a year, Google says that sounds good, iStock collects the $$$$ for promotional use of course and you as the image producer gets paid 0000! Do you think iStock is just gong to sell our content? They make money from our work like this in numerous ways. I just don't trust they have my best interest at heart anymore.  


 

(Edited on 2013-01-10 06:50:47 by jjneff)
abzee
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:51AM

I've done a search and found that upon mousing over the resulting images some have a description and some have just a number, at least some of the numbers correspond to the Getty Images file number. 


To buy the first image I found, Getty Images number 96432957 , which is not from iStock but from the Flickr Collection, at 1025 x 1025 would cost 225 GBP.

(Edited on 2013-01-10 06:57:06 by abzee)
ThomasVogel
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:53AM

we as individuals can do nothing, except of quitting our iStock distribution contract, which i think isn't an option for most contributors. 


Maybe it's time to federate into an union of all exclusive iStockers?!
RyersonClark
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:54AM
Very disturbing to me.  Have much to consider over the next few months.
anchev
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:55AM
Posted By ThomasVogel:

we as individuals can do nothing, except of quitting our iStock distribution contract, which i think isn't an option for most contributors. 


Maybe it's time to federate into an union of all exclusive iStockers?!

What did the union of elected contributors do when the big frauds happened?
nullplus
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:01AM

i'm waiting for an official statement on this.


and i'm very curious to find out how this deal with google is different from the deal with MS and how this relates to istocklawyer's statement that "this deal [with MS] was entered in to in 2007. [...] Would we do this same deal now? No, not in this way."


not that i mind promotions and (free) use of my images for promotional use in general. but giving away files for free to millions of people without even backlinking to IS makes the whole thing look like it were totally out of control.
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