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sjlocke
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Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:16PM

Posted By cmannphoto:
Some more info; Elaborating on the ImageIRC Post-Usage billing Service


Fast – The implementation of the Post-Usage Billing Service takes place in real time and is completely transparent to users. When a user shares an image, the ImageIRC API instantaneously determines if the image can be identified and licensed.
Fair – Professional content, including imagery, drives value for social image-sharing platforms through increased user engagement. With the Post-Usage Billing Service, content licensors and photographers will be compensated and credited equitably for their work.


Well, that's a step up from Google, eh?
Feverstockphoto
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Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:34PM
Who devides any compensation up will control whether it's equitably done. Could be Getty - 1 for you 2 for me .
Westbury
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Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:49PM

Fast – The implementation of the Post-Usage Billing Service takes place in real time and is completely transparent to users. When a user shares an image, the ImageIRC API instantaneously determines if the image can be identified and licensed.
Fair – Professional content, including imagery, drives value for social image-sharing platforms through increased user engagement. With the Post-Usage Billing Service, content licensors and photographers will be compensated and credited equitably for their work.


Where do the social media sites make their money on this if they have to pay the license?
cmannphoto
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Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:51PM
^ from the advertisers they aready have, is my quess
cjp
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Posted Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:31AM
Not sure if the Kiosked deal has been mentioned anywhere. Probably only relevant for editorial images but here's the detail:

http://www.professionalphotographer.co.uk/News-and-Reviews/2013/1/Kiosked-and-Getty-form-partnership

(Edited on 2013-01-17 02:32:32 by cjp)
Willowpix
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Posted Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:20PM

Don't think it was mentioned above - any thoughts (here) whether you think it would make sense for individual photogs - probably as a standard part of their own post workflow - to somehow run their content through ImageIRC (or something like it?) BEFORE uploading? To wherever...


I might even be incented to pay a nickel or two per image "up front" as potentially a form of insurance.


Maybe pie in the sky, but at least I would know it had been "fingerprinted" rather than hoping someone else fingerprints it on my behalf. Even disregarding trust, etc. concerns.
mightyisland
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Posted Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:49PM

Posted By Willowpix:

Don't think it was mentioned above - any thoughts (here) whether you think it would make sense for individual photogs - probably as a standard part of their own post workflow - to somehow run their content through ImageIRC (or something like it?) BEFORE uploading? To wherever...


I might even be incented to pay a nickel or two per image "up front" as potentially a form of insurance.


Maybe pie in the sky, but at least I would know it had been "fingerprinted" rather than hoping someone else fingerprints it on my behalf. Even disregarding trust, etc. concerns.


That is a very good suggestion.
Feverstockphoto
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Posted Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:20PM
Maybe you could use Digimarc in Photoshop?
Willowpix
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Posted Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:54PM
Posted By nullplus:
i don't yet understand how they would figure out if the user who posts an image on the internet already has a proper license or not (possible the user already bought the image on, say, istock), but on the overall this is an interesting approach. hoping for more info on how this will work, on whether istockers' work will also be tracked by this and whether we'll get a share of the collected fees.


As to deciding and controlling "who really originally owns the image", maybe there could be a relatively painless/integrated "two step" scheme available. As the combination of:


1) An initial utility initiated/controlled by the original content creator - like Digimarc (thanks for pointing that out^) - that merges?/attaches?/writes?/records? an initial "failsafe ownership ID" (yeah, I know "failsafe" is a big word) on the image before "original public release" by that definitive original owner.


2) Plus then a more fully-featured, trusted, and secure (hopefully) scheme/application suite for marking/registering/following an image, then for distributing/tracking/informing/scolding/billing/hounding/reporting/etc. all subsequent usage and "movement" of the image - like the ImageIRC functionality. A registration which would/should be securely and forever connected to the image - by a/any/every agent/distributor/owner-permitted display entity - BEFORE the image is released to the wild for the first time. For any purpose/usage/licensing.


That sort of combination gives me as the initial creator/owner complete control over proper and definitive original identification on whatever I put out there. And, BTW, complete blame/fault if I don't bother. All of that assuming the integrated process could be proven relatively easy and mostly bulletproof - big assumptions of course.


And is an opportunity for an agent/distributor to offer/provide an important differentiation to contributors, to spread the costs and benefits of a large implementation/enforcement/et al effort across many "users", and might even help prevent the sorts of "inadvertant"...wink, wink, nod, nod...give-aways that can't help but drive all sorts of other bad things.


While informing, educating, and controlling end users and inadvertant redistributors - to some degree - at least perhaps those who try to be honest if/whenever they understand the rules.


Finally - IMO a very important consideration often not well addressed if at all in many "business processes" - implementing an overall integrated ownership identification and control process along these lines would hopefully more effectively assign the various proper and appropriate incentives and consequences to each stakeholder - at the best steps in the chain - all up and down the chain.


It all sounds pretty complicated, but that's what computers are for.


Lots of uncertainty too. So it's all probably still pie in the sky. Still, I'm certain if we engage all the best minds "around here" in thinking about potential what-if's, we might eventually figure it out. For the future. Which brings up the obvious question: "What about all the billions of images, et al already out there?".


Great question. I wish I knew.
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