Feb 2 - One Contributor's Thinking

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graemenicholson
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:59AM
Posted By simonbradfield:
iStock & Getty should remember no one really wants to be deactivating/dropping crowns etc, but people feel compelled to act. It is a cumulative thing (falling sales, a buggy site, and now this Google deal), and so it's not like TPTB havent been given plenty of warning (since the introduction of the RCs, i believe). They just chose to ignore it, because thing were going as expected. Could RR save the day? Can she pull RapidEye's supernatural rabbit out of a hat? I think most people wish she would at least try.


And act they should, in whatever form they think appropriate:if not this situation will be repeated on a much grander scale.


My photographic rights have been violated in the past, and I am ashamed to admit I did nothing - too much hassle, lawyers, paperwork- which makes a mockery of the hard work performed by the professional organisations of which I am a member fighting for my rights, and who would have provided legal assistance! And when I think of the financial compensation I would have received! Cringe.


If you do not stand up for your rights you will lose them.
secablue
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:01AM

I am not going to do anything rash... I will hold my exclusivity and maybe drop some files which I don't want to be used out of my control... I may revert some E+ files... I will take all out of the PP... I will wait for IS to explain their direction after this mess.   That being said, I still don't agree with the deal, and the way some contributor files have been used (none of mine have been affected so far) in the deal... and I, with my 20+ years of Sales and Marketing experience, can't for the life of me see where the positive outcome is apart from a nice looking short term spreadsheet and a cushy relationship with Google.


My thinking... I am mostly disappointed with Getty and maybe even IS believing that we are all just photographers and will just accept what is put in front of us.   The people who are choosing to bail out have very good and fair reason to do so, and (even without all the facts) can easily see how they can justify it.   I wish them good luck and in some ways hope they are making the wrong decision, as IS will come to the party not just with a way to repair the relationships with contributors, but definite reassurance it will not happen again.
absolutely_frenchy
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:59AM
It's not being emotionnal but just know what you wish to accept or not.
In my case even though -crossing fingers- I apparently- don't have any file on google yet, I think this kind of deal is killing the contributors' businesses and in the long end might even kill the microstock business (if google keeps on adding free images to their already huge database: I guess it will perfectly fit most small cies in need of stock imagery and I don't see why they would mind paying some bucks at iStock or elsewhere.) I just cannot caution that action if I still have some tiny little hope to keep on working for microstock.

Moreover as many mentionned you will probably won't have any more facts on this google affair but personnaly I have enough facts about iStock's new way to do business: seeing one of my images downloaded 1763 times for free through microsoft, moreover my iStock's incomes are now divided by 5 to what I used to earn,had unreachable targets with only a 2 months notice,keep on receiving the pleasant emails "refund for a purchase of your file" on a regular basis, having to send back a paypal paiement because of some iStock's mistake ( I really have the feeling that we are always the ones to take care of iStock and I don't see anymore iStock taking care of us, I mean I wished I had seen this at least once these past 2 years) and now I should take the risk to see some of my files distributed- again- massively for free, please note I also have in my portfolio some pics of my daughter + I do have a strong respect for the models that accepted to work with me so I don't want to see their images redistributed without any control on what useage is allowed or not (porn sites/diffamatory useage, etc...).

So of course I cannot speak for everyone here since we all have different lives and ways to consider our businesses, but yes in my case I'll keep on deactivating most of my portfolio by feb 2nd (already did deactivate most of my illos and some good seller pics) I feel sad to do so, I don't have any hanger, just feel disapointed again and again, so it's just the last move I can do in order to protect my job & sincerely hope I did not put into trouble the people I convinced to join iStock few years ago.

(Edited on 2013-01-26 07:13:12 by absolutely_frenchy)
secablue
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:52AM
Posted By alanphillips:
My understanding is that one reason for de-activating was to protect those files from being distributed to Google Drive et al. and all the undesirable consequences until there is firm assurance that no more files would be sent over. I can understand that.
The one I don't understand is the idea of de-activating as a form of protest. This, to my mind, is pointless. The only ones who are going to be hurt by this are contributors who de-activate their files. It will make no difference to iStock (unless of course a substantial number of the 12 million or so images here are wiped out, and I cannot see that happening). On top of this there is the idea that once the storm has past these files can then be re-activated. Guess they can, but it would be a huge burden for admin, who are already fully occupied with various other site issues. Moreover, as I understand it, the de-activations are gumming up the works for the transfer of E+ to Getty E+ collection, somethign that is already complicated has been made even more cumbersome.


On this note... although deactivation of a small no. of files will not dent the overall no. of files, if that small no. includes some of IS most popular and regular sales which contribute to a large portion of IS income/sales, then that will make a difference which IS will feel.


If IS is not aware of the flow on implications, then they need to be... but my feelings is they are already aware and in damage control to keep their most profitable and long standing contributors... it just may be too late, as per above.
begur
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:47AM
I think they are aware of everything. and confer protest anything to anybody. unsolved problems makes.
raclro
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:59PM
To each, his own as they say.  I personally have no intention of dropping the crown or deactivating.  Any exclusives out there with very large portfolios willing to dump all the time and effort and start over somewhere else?  Is the grass really that much greener?  If I stay away from the forums, I suffer from a bit of blissful ignorance.  Just wondering.
wwing
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:26PM
For now, I'm sticking around... and, it usually isn't any greener.
vkbhat
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:34PM
About 2.5 years ago I became exclusive here at iS and I am very happy about that. Before that I had my images at almost all major sites. However, since September 2012 site upgrade, my sales have dropped dramatically and no signs of that improving in any near future. Is having all the eggs in one basket good for me? I do some time think about dropping the crown. The extraordinarily long time for IS to fix the site related issues is really bothering me. I really liked it when site was working well, IS was busy doing image promotion and contributors busy creating great work. Lately contributors spending more time on forums (for a good reason) discussing site related issues and IS is not able to come up with fixes for the issues fast enough. Hope we will find soon a magic balance where contributors, distributor (IS) and buyers are all happy. I am optimistic but time is running out.
MarkHatfield
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Posted Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:11PM
Posted By absolutely_frenchy:
It's not being emotionnal but just know what you wish to accept or not.
In my case even though -crossing fingers- I apparently- don't have any file on google yet, I think this kind of deal is killing the contributors' businesses and in the long end might even kill the microstock business (if google keeps on adding free images to their already huge database: I guess it will perfectly fit most small cies in need of stock imagery and I don't see why they would mind paying some bucks at iStock or elsewhere.) I just cannot caution that action if I still have some tiny little hope to keep on working for microstock.

Moreover as many mentionned you will probably won't have any more facts on this google affair but personnaly I have enough facts about iStock's new way to do business: seeing one of my images downloaded 1763 times for free through microsoft, moreover my iStock's incomes are now divided by 5 to what I used to earn,had unreachable targets with only a 2 months notice,keep on receiving the pleasant emails "refund for a purchase of your file" on a regular basis, having to send back a paypal paiement because of some iStock's mistake ( I really have the feeling that we are always the ones to take care of iStock and I don't see anymore iStock taking care of us, I mean I wished I had seen this at least once these past 2 years) and now I should take the risk to see some of my files distributed- again- massively for free, please note I also have in my portfolio some pics of my daughter + I do have a strong respect for the models that accepted to work with me so I don't want to see their images redistributed without any control on what useage is allowed or not (porn sites/diffamatory useage, etc...).

So of course I cannot speak for everyone here since we all have different lives and ways to consider our businesses, but yes in my case I'll keep on deactivating most of my portfolio by feb 2nd (already did deactivate most of my illos and some good seller pics) I feel sad to do so, I don't have any hanger, just feel disapointed again and again, so it's just the last move I can do in order to protect my job & sincerely hope I did not put into trouble the people I convinced to join iStock few years ago.

(Edited on 2013-01-26 07:13:12 by absolutely_frenchy)


So many wonderful images in your portfolio.  You will truly be missed on Istock.
cbarnesphotography
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:30AM

Posted By InkkStudios:
Posted By Susan_Stewart:
The fact that the Google deal came to light by members discovering it and the subsequent lack of explanation/details of the EULa/assurances that itwon't happen again is fact enough in itself.

(Edited on 2013-01-25 16:10:58 by Susan_Stewart)


Point, Set, Match

(Edited on 2013-01-25 17:01:26 by InkkStudios)


Hardly point, set match. The fact that this came to light by a member discovering it is commendable. Sorry it had to happen that way, but kudos to the member for bringing it to light. Shit happens that way and - from what I've read in the posts - it is an issue that needs to be investigated and explored fully. I, certainly, have never once minimized the seriousness of this or it's broader ramifications. As for lack of communications, I don't think that is so easy for the company to just slap its collective forehead and scream, "By God! What were we thinking? The member who found this was right and of course this was wrong. We see it now!" It might have bee a bad deal or a wrong deal, but it was still a deal developed and executed in a corporate environment which meant that it was probably vetted by a legal team and not just executed by Joe in the office down the hall.

I am no cheerleader for the company. The problem that I have and which lead to my post is that there is a lot of run to the barricades mentality the sweeps up many of the less sophisticated members of this community. And they, in turn, join causes on the passions of the others without being fully informed of the risks that they are unknowingly being persuaded to take either through direct recruitment or sublime pressures.

The member who discovered this problem has every right in the world to be aggrieved. That member also has the right full right to protect his or her property. Where I differ is when I see members fanning the flames on the boards that in turn inspire others to incite a rebellion that could serious negative consequences on the incomes/business of those who can least afford to die on a matter of principle. The aggrieved members have every legal option in the world open to them should they choose to pursue that course of action. And, should a lawyer agree that they have a legitimate case, the law will work it's course.

I can't say if the member who discovered this issue contacted an attorney or not, but I have had a couple legal issues arise in my life and, in both instances, the first legal advice that was given to me was to keep my mouth shut and not discuss the issues with anyone - even family. But that's not what has happened - the issue has been given a the dedicated thread and opinions/comments are being bandied about like kids eating jelly beans at Easter. Without knowing the legal facts, others are being drawn into taking a course of action that could be detrimental to their business.

For all those aggrieved members who rail against the company for not protecting their best interests, I am only asking if they are being any better at protecting the interests of others with all this chatter of a big protest action on Feb 2? Make no mistake, I have no undue love for this company and will gladly leave it if I think I can do better elsewhere. I also agree, from all outward appearances, it does seem as if it struck a deal that is extremely detrimental, if not illegal, to contributors' copyrights and business interests. But opinion - regardless how apparent or logical the argument seems on face value - is not legal fact until it has been adjudicated.

The comment has been made that people here wear big boy pants and can make there own decisions. I agree and I said so in the initial posting. People are free to take whatever course of action they feel is best. From my perspective, however, this issue should have gone immediately to a lawyer. Instead it was openly published here and a call to action has now been taking place for something to occur in February. That - to me - is just as bad as the perceived wrongs of the company. If contributors win the legal argument that a wrong has been committed then they will have helped all contributors more than any protest. If, however, a protest is felt by some to be the best course of action to prove a point then those organizers should at least be honest to the people who are being recruited to join by telling them the truth that their businesses could be severely injured without any guarantee of winning the argument.
PrairieArtProject
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:30PM

No one has answered this condescending post yet because we are all, frankly, gobsmacked that you would have the balls to come in here and call us all a bunch of "unsophisticated" idiots. We also have a name for you, and it's a name I'm just barely too polite to type. 


Your point has been well explained. Now please shut the eff up, says this unsophisticated moron.
mlwinphotoCLOSED
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:39PM
On the one hand, cbarnes, you seem to be advising people not to do anything rash and on the other hand you said "...as I will only stand to benefit even more because my work will get greater visibility because so many contributors removed files or went to non-exclusive."


You are entitled to your opinion.  But you are also demeaning certain members of this community by calling them "less sophisticated". 


Personally, I'm not turning in my crown, yet, and I'm not deactivating files, yet.  But I'm not going to sit here and tell people that are going to do one or the other that what they are doing is wrong.  I look at it as standing up for what you believe in and that deserves my respect.

(Edited on 2013-01-27 13:10:19 by mlwinphoto)
BreatheFitness
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:40PM
How condescending you are with that post. If there were no risks of losing forum privilages or getting banned I would probably have my own insults for you now please be quiet and don't post again as it is all too much for us unsophisticated contributors...
sjlocke
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:44PM
I'm amazed the OP wants to fraternize with we unwashed, uneducated contributors.
PrairieArtProject
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:44PM
^^ Don't worry. I am taking the bullet on this one biggrin Although Charles will probably say I just proved his point by having an emotional reaction to his post, I am sick to death of being called unprofessional, over-emotional, unsophisticated, and naive for daring to have a different business philosophy from other people. I am absolutely idealistic -- I don't see it as a negative. When you justify your position by insinuating that it's because you're smarter than the other people in the room, you're really not proving how smart  you are. You're just showing your ass in public.

(Edited on 2013-01-27 12:54:13 by PrairieArtProject)
jeangill
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:44PM

I will contribute financially to a legal case against illegal assumption of copyright by our agent (the Google license does seem to have that possibility but D McGillis is better than I am for law), and a small financial contribution from a large number of members is something Getty ought to seriously avoid. 


I have some experience of strikes and protests and the saddest thing about them is the way the way they divide colleagues. I'm not in the habit of being bullied, by either side, so I'll make my own mind up.
dcdp
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:56PM
Don't feed the troll ...
MichaelJay
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:05PM
Posted By cbarnesphotography: I am no cheerleader for the company. The problem that I have and which lead to my post is that there is a lot of run to the barricades mentality the sweeps up many of the less sophisticated members of this community.

Can you be more specific who you mean with this? Seems I'm not sophisticated enough to understand this exactly. I need someone who can explain this to me, and you seem to be determined to do so.
MilamPhotos
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:24PM

Me photographer. Me shoot pretty pictures. 


Is that what you mean by unsophisticated? Because honestly, you shot yourself in the foot with that. You don't know who or what your fellow contributors are. I can only assume that you don't understand the big bad corporate world and are scared of it. Be careful when you try to speak for everyone that you're just not speaking for yourself.
Marko_Marcello
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Posted Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:03PM
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/C`mon guys it just an opinion of a more sophisticated member of our community....smile


My dad told me once when i just finished college and started working for a friend, successful businessman, when I told him that money moves all, he said "No, people move everything"...


This kind of business can not be run and managed without strong input from creative base that makes the dream-contributors....


Who is dependant on whome more..we on agency or them on us?....or is it better to hear the voice of the people like in Bruce`s time....i think we will find out soon...

(Edited on 2013-01-27 14:10:59 by Marko_Marcello)
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