Looking to upgrade gear

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rmpphotos
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Posted Tue Feb 5, 2013 2:25PM

Hi, I am looking upgrade to my first DSLR camera. I favor Nikon as my brand. I don't have much of a budget. I am thinking of purchasing the D5100. Does it really matter if its a bit older if it has all of the features I need? I shoot nature/wildlife/scenics and some macro. I am looking for a telephoto lense. Is it worth it to spend extra money on f2.8 vs. f3.5 or 4. Is it worth it to buy a more expensive used lense or is it better to buy a new, less great lense?


 


Thanks


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TexPhoto
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Posted Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:41PM

D5100 is a good camera. You don't need te latest and greatest, 


Used Gear is the way to go if you can buy and sell without getting burned. 
AbrahamCollins
Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:13AM
All those MP in the D5200 are a waste anyhow. I don't even know if any DX lenses can resolve that many line pairs within the little cropped image circle.. Most FX lenses probably couldn't do it either. The D5100 is a great camera.

You should definitely go for the new Nikkor 70-200 F4 VR3. I got to play around with one on Monday and its light weight and performance are impressive.
rmpphotos
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 10:08AM
Thanks, your advice has helped a lot and is appreciated
AlbertoSimonetti
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 6:52AM

The latest lenses are way sharper and generally better than the older ones. Zoom lenses are now often better than prime lenses. So I'd go for a new one or at least a recent one.


In my opinion as long as you buy a good brand (like Nikon, Canon, ...) and their good stuff you just can't go wrong.


I've just upgraded myself (from D300 to D800) and to be honest it's been a bit of a disappointment: I expected the new camera to be way better than the old one. It definetely is - don't get me wrong - but it's not like the old once cannot stand its ground and deliver professional pictures. I think that we generally get carried away by the love for the "new toy" features and often end up spending more than what we could have...


After having bought a D800, 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/4 I just wish I could really be as wise as I talk    Just my two cents...
gipi23
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:36AM
Alberto, I've upgraded to D800 from D300, too, and I think it was well worth it. You just can't expect that all of a sudden there will be a massive leap - the camera allows you to work harder, take more complex/difficult to expose/low light shots, and certainly gives you a better chance to be 'better'. I think it is a camera that will reward you greatly if you give it all. If you just carry the-D300-way, then its potential is not used up, and you must ask yourself why...
Just a thought
lagereek
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:14AM
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/Any DSLR capable of giving from 12 MPs and plus is enough. The one and only time you will see a clear differance, on screen and in print, is when you take the leap up to MF photograpy.


I can not see the slightest bit of differance between my D3X, D800 and my Canon 5DMII,  in fact I think the MII, gives a cleaner raw-file straight out of the cam.


Comparing these to the HD4, yes slight differance ofcourse but definetely not worth the millions in between. Also I only use it for commissioned work, no stock,  well sometimes for the Getty-RM but not micro, too cumbersome.


Optics is the important thing here, nothing but optics. Stick a mediocre lens on a 20MP cam and a great lens on a 12 MP cam,  the file from the 12 MP camera will win, hands down.

(Edited on 2013-02-10 04:17:24 by lagereek)
SondraP
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:20AM

Interesting topic here, I too have the D300 and absolutely have loved it but feel that since it is "only 12MP" must be outdated compared to all the new mega-models coming out.  I have two lenses the 60mm nikkor micro and the Nikkor 18-200 1.3.3-5.6 G ED DX lens with VR.  They told me at B&H that this 18-200 lens is not compatable with the D800, which I was considering, then I would have to buy new expensive lens as well as D800.  Anybody have advice for me?  Should I keep D300 for now and maybe get new lens?  Take the leap for D800?  Thanks


 
ClarkandCompany
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:11AM
This has been talked about before. I went from 12mpx to 36mpx with the D800,it's a fantastic camera but expensive to run. New lenses,memory cards new computer, storage headache from all those mpx....but Nikon have gone mpx crazy lately so any upgrade is going to be at least 24mpx or 18 if you go for the very expensive D4
AlbertoSimonetti
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:09AM

If I were you either I'd go the whole way and buy the new camera and the lenses it requires or just soldier on with what I have.


Buying the new lens first and the camera next might be a viable option but I guess it would disappoint you. Buying the new camera first would mean using a lens which cannot deliver the quality you'd expect - I also believe the D800 automatically crops the image when using DX lenses thus reducing its quality.
SondraP
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:33AM
Is there another viable option uprading from D300 besides D800? I guess I'm also asking if D300 is still considered acceptable for stock purposes here...
ClarkandCompany
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:20PM

Depends on your situation whether to upgrade or not. I work commercially so to upgrade was a no brainer. It's a lot of camera for not really much money when you compare it to the now discontinued D3x which was more than twice the price for less pixels and not as good in low light IMHO. 


It looks like the D300 works well for you so why change? Especially when you look at the issues around iS at the moment
SondraP
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:38PM
Good points Clark, thanks.
vesilvio
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:46AM

Posted By SondraP:

Interesting topic here, I too have the D300 and absolutely have loved it but feel that since it is "only 12MP" must be outdated compared to all the new mega-models coming out.  I have two lenses the 60mm nikkor micro and the Nikkor 18-200 1.3.3-5.6 G ED DX lens with VR.  They told me at B&H that this 18-200 lens is not compatable with the D800, which I was considering, then I would have to buy new expensive lens as well as D800.  Anybody have advice for me?  Should I keep D300 for now and maybe get new lens?  Take the leap for D800?  Thanks


 


Like all DX lens 18-200 is perfectly compatible with all FX (Full Frame) cameras (D600, D800, D700, etc) but you can:
- automatically let the camera to detect it's a DX lens so, the camera will crop to DX mode (less than 6mp for a 12mp FX camera, about 15mp for a 36mp camera)
- force the camera to shot in FX mode but you'll have a lot of vignetting due to the smaller image circle on the sensor, of course.

The problem with 18-200 and new generation Nikon cameras may be the resolution power of the newest sensors. 24mp (D600, D5200) or 36mp (D800) sensors have a very high resolution and generally demand quality lens with very high resolving power.
I had a 18-200 and it's not bad on a 12mp DX camera if you stop down to f8-9.
There is a FX version of the 18-200 too: the 28-300mm but with a 12mp FX camera, it has about the same image quality as the 18-200 on DX.
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