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sodafish
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 2:41AM
Posted By Lobo:

Posted By shank_ali:

I might get a small amount of money per month out of this deal but i'm sure Getty has created Connect to maximize exposure for it's shareholders.

Yea that's a cynical view but i believe they have no interest in me as a photographer and will continue to farm my work for profit.

I wouldn't use cynical as a descriptor for your post. If you're not happy you have options. I think responses like this are pointless. People have questions which is why this thread was started. It's not intended to provide you with an opportunity to troll the thread.


Lobo, I would have written it differently, but the perception I have is somehow the same. With these latest "great" deals (microsoft, google, connect) the effective royalties we are paid are quite uncertain. Before, we exactly knew what we sold and what percentage we received from every sale, also for our images at getty. But this is, at least until today, not communicated very clear with these new methods. This isn't the best way to create trust with the suppliers, especially in current circumstances. So forgive me, but until this is settled, I also prefer to be a bit "cynical". 


edit: That doens't mean I don't support the connect program. I think it has great opportunities.

(Edited on 2013-02-06 03:08:53 by sodafish)
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 2:43AM

Thanks for giving some answers to Jasmin's questions.


Sorry if this was already covered elsewhere, but I'm a bit concerned about the reference in the article to Yahoo reporting the figures for each image.  Surely that doesn't mean that for all royalties of this type, Getty will be relying the customers to give timely and accurate numbers?


Probably stating the obvious, but surely it makes sense for Getty to host the image and metadata, and for the customer to link to the image on Getty's server.  That way Getty can see how many times the image is being loaded, which URL it's being referenced from and all sorts of other useful information.

Also, if a problem is found with the description, photographer name or whatever, Getty could correct it themselves, rather than invoking some messy procedure where they have to ask the customer to correct or remove an image ASAP.


Given that the Google Drive 'misunderstanding of the implementation' involved one of the most respected brands on the web yet is still causing an unholy mess and loss of control of copyrighted images, surely it wouldn't make sense to create a new type of licence where the customer is being asked to track the usage that they're paying for?


Apologies if trying to teach my granny to suck eggs.
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:44AM

Posted By Lobo:
Q: What about sensitive use clauses for model released files?
Standard model releases and the ASAs restrict using the content for pornographic, defamatory or unlawful uses. At a minimum, those restrictions will be passed along to customers, as with all of our licenses.

I would just want to point out that the MR and the IS content license are much more extensive than just a three word description of prohibited uses when it comes to models. And, as we've seen, no such restrictions appear with the Google content despite the declaration of being passed along, above.

Not that I really think these kind of deals would be set up with a business that would violate those terms, unlike the Google deal. For instance, a yahoo search on "lingerie" brought up the "HQ" image box, and subsquent clicks into that brought up ads for T. Rowe Price and FTD flowers (guess you need to apologize for looking at pictures of girls in lingerie).

I also agree with the others, that the lack of knowledge of payments/pricing just adds to the feeling of getting ripped off again. Percentages of percentage deals usually end up leaving us with nothing. There's no reason Getty can't pay us a higher rate for a "deal" like this.

(Edited on 2013-02-06 04:46:07 by sjlocke)
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:02AM

From now on you will see an additional category on the royalty schedule labeled, “Connect.”



Sorry for the probably dumb question, but where exactly is this "connect" column? Should it be already there somewhere or not yet? Thanks
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:15AM

Another dumb questions (sorry, i'm not a good english reader, so give me some patiente).


- I have my work only here in IStock. I think i'm out of Connect business by the moment, Right?


- Vectors are involved?
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 6:39AM
Posted By Lobo:

Contributors are paid their normal Getty Images royalty rate on revenue earned from each type of deal. Furthermore, all Connect Royalties are aggregated monthly and reported as a single amount under the Getty Connect Category.


Just to be thorough, will there be a way for us to see which specific photos generated revenue?
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:00AM

Thank you for taking me seriously and answering my questions with the information that is available, Lobo. I really appreciate this.


Like I said before, I am not against testing new business models. I do however, want to have some kind of control over which of my files go into "new deals". 


Unfortunately we do not have any options.


For "Connect" I see great potential for all editorial files. But I am not sure how much this will benefit creative content. And with the expected returns to be minimal...I wonder if all that time and energy would not have been better spent on promoting the core business.


Obviously if the site was running like clockwork, the traffic to istock growing dramatically on alexa, the competitior sites closing down for lack of business...my enthusiasm for all new business adventures would be a lot greater


But in the context of the last months and the getty/google deal, I really don´t feel comfortable with "new" if the "old" is not growing or working properly (from my perspective).


There seem to be more and more arrangements where as a contributor it is very hard to see how much am I being paid, how exactly and how many times is my context being licensed, are there any extreme "exchange rate fees" or "technology fees"...


I know that for many artists all these things are of no concern and they just go and shoot, upload, repeat as usual. 


But for me and many others like me, it is not that easy. "Connect" is just a small part of a bigger picture. We are trying to understand who or what kind of business model does gettyimages truly stand for.


And is that business model the one I feel comfortable with going forward, can I support it completly and exclusively.


I´ll be watching the developments carefully and appreciate any information you can give. 
sodafish
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:13AM
Posted By cobalt:
I know that for many artists all these things are of no concern and they just go and shoot, upload, repeat as usual. 

Only in the beginning. It will soon be important, no matter who the contributor is. And if not, they don't take their business serious. And Getty should embrace those who take their business serious, because these people want a longterm relationship. 

(Edited on 2013-02-06 07:16:02 by sodafish)
Lobo
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:29AM
Folks, I'll be back in here later this morning. I don't want to alarm anyone but I think I had a nap.

TAKE NOTE: I don't want anyone to derail this conversation. Your questions should be 100% related to the Connect program. Nothing else should be muddling the discussion. You can pepper your questions here with references to other issues, but I'm not going to respond to any of it in here.

Thanks, everyone. I will be back in here soon.
cobalt
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:14AM

I understand, I just wanted to point out that Connect is part of an allover uneasy feeling with new deals.


I look forward to whatever news you can share with us.


How about the obvious: how much money do you expect us to make with this program? Do you see it generating 30 dollars a month or 300? Or can Sean, Lise and Yuri even generate 30 000 a year with this program. Maybe not in the first year, but where do you see the revenue in 2 years?
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:35AM
-- Is Yahoo going to provide public access to the web server logs?

-- If not - how do we know exactly how many views our images have received and we cannot be sure we are paid correctly?

-- When will we know the prices? Why have our images already been included in big size (HQ) in Yahoo image search without anyone asking us if we would like to opt IN or OUT?

-- I just saw one of mine (1366x1024) with just a tiny Getty watermark in the lower corner (HQ size). Does this count for a view?

-- How is CE arranged for the comming cases of people right-clicking or hitting PrtScr to save the big size images from Yahoo search?
Lobo
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:45AM

Posted By anchev:
-- Is Yahoo going to provide public access to the web server logs?
No. They aren't going to provide public access to that. I don't assume any of the future Connect deals will either.

-- If not - how do we know exactly how many views our images have received and we cannot be sure we are paid correctly?

This is something that contributors will always be concerned about, if you can't trust that we are providing accurate calculations you'll need to make some decisions

-- When will we know the prices? Why have our images already been included in big size (HQ) in Yahoo image search without anyone asking us if we would like to opt IN or OUT?

There is no option to OPT in or Out. This is a Getty API program, so if you have mirrored content at Getty it's apart of the program. I've already commented on what collections are currently involved. I also stated that in the future other collections on Getty will be considered, depending on the deal.

-- I just saw one of mine (1366x1024) with just a tiny Getty watermark in the lower corner (HQ size). Does this count for a view?

If you just saw your file I don't know that it would, if you clicked the file I reckon it would count as a view

-- How is CE arranged for the comming cases of people right-clicking or hitting PrtScr to save the big size images from Yahoo search?

I'm pretty sure the Compliance and Enforcement team at Getty is prepared for any eventuality


I've answered your questions in bold. I will have additional clarity and detail on some of the points I made later today.

(Edited on 2013-02-06 08:47:35 by Lobo)
Lobo
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:51AM

Posted By cobalt:

I understand, I just wanted to point out that Connect is part of an allover uneasy feeling with new deals.


I look forward to whatever news you can share with us.


How about the obvious: how much money do you expect us to make with this program? Do you see it generating 30 dollars a month or 300? Or can Sean, Lise and Yuri even generate 30 000 a year with this program. Maybe not in the first year, but where do you see the revenue in 2 years?

That's a difficult question to answer. I don't think making any predictions in here will really help. It would only be based on the information we have from the files that had been involved since June of last year. At present I don't have any of that data. That said, it's unlikely that I would be able to provide any solid predictions for everyone involved.
sodafish
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:58AM
This is something that contributors will always be concerned about, if you can't trust that we are providing accurate calculations you'll need to make some decisions 
Why create doubt when you could as well share the data, like you always did in the past. 
A clear answer regarding royalty payments seems not easy. Is it hard to understand this seems a bit strange, a bit uncomfortable? It has nothing to do with concerns, it's about a "healthy" creative relationship. When I partner in an affiliate program or do google advertising I also have clean stats of views, clicks, ... why should this be any different?

edit: btw, it isn't something contributors always will be concerned about. I was never concerned about it, because it was always clear. It's only getting unclear with the recent announcements. Sorry for the editing, I can't seem to write something decent in one time ...

(Edited on 2013-02-06 09:13:07 by sodafish)
anchev
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:01AM
Thank you Lobo. Please find my replies/questions in blue. (I guess we need threaded functionality for the forum)


Posted By Lobo:


Posted By anchev:

-- If not - how do we know exactly how many views our images have received and we cannot be sure we are paid correctly?

This is something that contributors will always be concerned about, if you can't trust that we are providing accurate calculations you'll need to make some decisions

I am not 'contributors', I am asking for myself. And it is not about if I trust or not. I have already received direct reply from CR when I found $0.00 PP sales and iStock even refused to give me a full report of all my PP sales. Instead the support redirected me to some contributor's GM script to handle on my own. Additionally there are so many cases of mistaken royalties that have to be re-calculated after months. So as you see - it is not about trust but about facts. Hence my question about reporting. Would you please give more specific information?



-- When will we know the prices? Why have our images already been included in big size (HQ) in Yahoo image search without anyone asking us if we would like to opt IN or OUT?

There is no option to OPT in or Out. This is a Getty API program, so if you have mirrored content at Getty it's apart of the program. I've already commented on what collections are currently involved. I also stated that in the future other collections on Getty will be considered, depending on the deal.


-- I just saw one of mine (1366x1024) with just a tiny Getty watermark in the lower corner (HQ size). Does this count for a view?

If you just saw your file I don't know that it would, if you clicked the file I reckon it would count as a view

-- How is CE arranged for the comming cases of people right-clicking or hitting PrtScr to save the big size images from Yahoo search?

I'm pretty sure the Compliance and Enforcement team at Getty is prepared for any eventuality

Unfortuantely this is still a grey area. As I have pointed out in a differen thread GI's CE doesn't even answer when I try to contact them. Hence my question. I hope we can get more specific information.



I've answered your questions in bold. I will have additional clarity and detail on some of the points I made later today.

(Edited on 2013-02-06 08:47:35 by Lobo)
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:13AM

Posted By sodafish:

This is something that contributors will always be concerned about, if you can't trust that we are providing accurate calculations you'll need to make some decisions 


Why create doubt when you could as well share the data, like you always did in the past. 
A clear answer regarding royalty payments seems not easy. Is it hard to understand this seems a bit strange, a bit uncomfortable? It has nothing to do with concerns, it's about a healthy business relationship. When I partner in an affiliate program or do google advertising I also have clean stats of views, clicks, ... why should this be different?

It's a new model. I'm becoming acquainted with it just as you are. That said, I do have access to more of the folks involved in the program so I will most certainly be asking all the question I gather from this thread.
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:14AM
Ok, thx Lobo. Looking forward to more information
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:15AM
Well in the absence of predictions, how about a simple number of what we will be paid per view.


I understand it will be a fraction of a cent, but we are all old enough to use a calculator and can come up with our own idea of what "could" be generated in ideal circumstances.


I also understand that getty might have different agreements, with different partners. But i think it should be possible to give us a simple "payment per view" number to get an idea of what we are talking about.

For instance a number like: "You might be getting a payment per view around 0.000003 USD" wouldn´t scare me at all. I understand that it accumulates.
 

(Edited on 2013-02-06 09:18:28 by cobalt)
Lobo
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:21AM

Posted By cobalt:

Well in the absence of predictions, how about a simple number of what we will be paid per view.


I understand it will be a fraction of a cent, but we are all old enough to use a calculator and can come up with our own idea of what "could" be generated in ideal circumstances.


I also understand that getty might have different agreements, with different partners. But i think it should be possible to give us a simple "payment per view" number to get an idea of what we are talking about.


 

I understand the desire for clear numbers but at this time we are dealing with proprietary information that will probably vary from deal to deal. Remember, this is a new model. It's not like anything we have participated in before. So I'm going to do my best to manage everyone expectations.
cobalt
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:31AM

I can understand that it is all new and you are not trying to advertise to the competition how it all works. Again, thank you for trying to answer our questions as best as you can.


But obviously as a contributor I prefer a number. I mean it is the first time I hear an agency say - we will generate money for you, but not explain in detail how much you are being paid.


Personally I am not expecting huge volumes of income, I will look into affiliate programs of other sites like amazon, to get an idea of what is being paid for "per click" deals. I have never really looked into these business models before, but there are other programs out there. I know it is hard to compare, but I do like to understand things myself (if I can).


So let´s see what the results are when they come in. 


Without numbers, my main focus would be concerns if somehow this new busines model affects normal sale. And yes, obviously nobody knows because it is all new.


Can you give us some guidance from the data available if for instance editorial content will generate more clicks than creative?


Or is there anything you would want us to shoot that you think would be very useful for "Connect"?
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