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Khosrownia
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 3:43PM
Hello,


I am interested in your technical opinions on these pictures I am identifying as Portrait and Landscape. I know the background is not white and I know he background is not clean in the Landcape version. These were tests. I am more curious about lighting although any comment is very welcomed.

Since the original posting of this message I have updated the Landscape version.


And here is the latest Landscape version based on additional comments (thanks)



By the way, as I have been updating this thread I have noticed that new links even though they are different from old ones, cause the deletion of the earlier links. So if you are interested in the progression of this update please look at my Flickr stream.


 


Thanks.


 


Farzad

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Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 4:38PM
Yeah, I like the lighting. You've got detail in the darker areas. If it were me I'd maybe got a tiny bit brighter, but not too much, and maybe a little bit more contrast.
You've also got a couple of shiny hotspots on her skin that I'd pull back a little.
The composition is a little off the way she's cut in/out of the frame, but I guess you're just interested in the lighting really.
I like the overall effect though, nice soft light. Lovely model as well
Khosrownia
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:00PM

Thanks. What about the hot spots on her lips (Landscape)? I guess those need to be brought down too.


On the Portrait the intent of the composition was to get her pop from one corner and lookk away at the other corner.


Farzad
Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:23PM
No, lip ones are fine as they make the lips look glossy, which is something you want. Think lip gloss. I often bring the reflections in the lips up more.
But on the skin, just tone them down a bit. I generally make a separate layer, use the spot repair tool set to 'darken' to darken the area to match surrounding skin tones. Then reduce that layer to about 50%, or whatever looks real.
You don't want to completely get rid of the hot spots or the skin looks false and looks flat.. but just take it back a little.
Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:27PM
Oh, and now I've looked at the image 100% size, there is obvious skin editing.. quite a lot of it. You can see some about an inch over from the right of her mouth.
Khosrownia
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:36PM
Thanks. I am making fixes to the lips and have removed the skin tone issue. I will be posting an update.
Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013 5:38PM
I'd probably submit it like this.. although without the obvious skin smoothing done in patches.

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Khosrownia
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:47AM
Did you boost brightness?
Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:26PM
I didn't actually. when I closed it it looked ok. I just reduced the shiny patches on the skin, and removed a few minor skin blemishes.
If you smooth the skin out, use a seperate layer and blend it, maybe only having 23 to 25 % of the smoothed layer showing.
It's something you'll just have to play around with. there are some good youtube videos on the subject.
iStock doesn't like to see visible editing, so bear that in mind. If you can tell something has been edited, you'll generally get a rejection for it.
Khosrownia
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:51PM

I will look into that. In the mean time here is the updated Landscape version.


 


Thanks for the comments.
Feverstockphoto
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:35PM
Looking at your edits i liked the glossy lips. I would fix the two little bumps on left chin area and bridge of nose. Would fix the torn fabric in arm and loose thread, a couple of stray hairs also would remove line on wall background right side. Nice image and model, great teeth!

(Edited on 2013-02-10 13:37:56 by Feverstockphoto)
Khosrownia
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:34PM

Thanks everyone.


Here is the latest, incorporating additional comments. I like the picture a lot more thanks to your feedback and recommendations.


Farzad
Khosrownia
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:03PM

Did you mean you liked it when the lips were reflecting light? I can put that back in but I thought that might be a cause for a rejection (hot spots?)


Thanks


Farzad
Feverstockphoto
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Posted Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:55PM
^ Yes i prefer glossy lips as in the first image, that's what glossy lips are meant to look like they are meant to shine, inspectors should not reject for that - (i'm not an inspector though) smile.

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Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:27PM
Glossy lips with reflections are fine. It's like reflections in eyes. They are meant to be there, so leave them in, or the image looks flat and 2 dimensional.
I often enhance the reflections on the lips, as this makes them look even glossier if it's a glamour shot.. as I did with my edit of your photo.

The skin looks overprocessed to me though. That is, it's too smooth and lacks detail.
It's fine to remove blemishes and even smooth the skin a little, but I feel you've got a bit too far.

Also, you've totally got rid of the hotspot on her nose. It should be there, or it doesn't look right. again, 2 dimensional and lacking depth.
You should certainly reduce it, but not completely. I would say halfway between how it was originally and how it is on the last version.

Basically, follow these tips.

Lips - leave the catchlights as they are.
Eyes - leave the catchlights as they are
Skin shiny hotspots - create a new layer, get rid of them, then change the blend mode of the layer to perhaps 50% so you bring back 50% of the shiny hotspots
Skin blemishes - ok to use the spot healing tool, at a size just larger than the blemish, and remove them completely. Keep resampling the surrounding area and resize the brush accordingly.
Skin smoothing - very minimal. Maybe 20% if you are doing it with an adjustment layer.

A lot of these things, if you are doing often, can be done quickly using the keyboard shortcuts, such as [ and ] to make your brush sizes bigger and smaller, and a macro for skin smoothing that you can then simply pain on and reduce down to 20-23% or so.

My editing isn't always perfect, but as I do mainly glamour work It's not bad these days.
donald_gruener
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:04PM

Posted By Iridiumphotographics:

The skin looks overprocessed to me though. That is, it's too smooth and lacks detail.
It's fine to remove blemishes and even smooth the skin a little, but I feel you've got a bit too far.



Sorry for the delayed reply, I had to be out of town for a couple of days and had nothing but my phone for internet access so reviewing images was out of the question.

I agree with Iridium's assessment here. As-is, this latest version would definitely receive an overfiltering rejection for the work done on the face.

Overall we are seeing progressive improvements in your work...keep pressing forward!
Khosrownia
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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:56AM
Thanks very much. I will probably just leave the skin as it is and bring back the shiny lips.


Farzad

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Khosrownia
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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:58AM
Posted By Iridiumphotographics:
Glossy lips with reflections are fine. It's like reflections in eyes. They are meant to be there, so leave them in, or the image looks flat and 2 dimensional.
I often enhance the reflections on the lips, as this makes them look even glossier if it's a glamour shot.. as I did with my edit of your photo.

The skin looks overprocessed to me though. That is, it's too smooth and lacks detail.
It's fine to remove blemishes and even smooth the skin a little, but I feel you've got a bit too far.

Also, you've totally got rid of the hotspot on her nose. It should be there, or it doesn't look right. again, 2 dimensional and lacking depth.
You should certainly reduce it, but not completely. I would say halfway between how it was originally and how it is on the last version.

Basically, follow these tips.

Lips - leave the catchlights as they are.
Eyes - leave the catchlights as they are
Skin shiny hotspots - create a new layer, get rid of them, then change the blend mode of the layer to perhaps 50% so you bring back 50% of the shiny hotspots
Skin blemishes - ok to use the spot healing tool, at a size just larger than the blemish, and remove them completely. Keep resampling the surrounding area and resize the brush accordingly.
Skin smoothing - very minimal. Maybe 20% if you are doing it with an adjustment layer.

A lot of these things, if you are doing often, can be done quickly using the keyboard shortcuts, such as [ and ] to make your brush sizes bigger and smaller, and a macro for skin smoothing that you can then simply pain on and reduce down to 20-23% or so.

My editing isn't always perfect, but as I do mainly glamour work It's not bad these days. smile



Thanks for the instruction and your time to evaluate/comment. They are very valuable.


Farzad
Iridiumphotographics
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:39PM
By all means post up a new version and we'll have another look.
Even if you don't end up using this image, it's a good image to practice with and get feeback on.
I do a lot of portrait work, so I do a lot of editing of this sort of thing and I'm more than happy to pass on any experience I have.
Khosrownia
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:23PM

Yes, exactly the purpose was to identify lighting issue in this photo which is too complicated for me. There were no blown highlights or clipped shadows yet the darkness and all the blacks caused a concern.


I am working on another version and have decided I will not mess around with skin tones - just the little blemishes. Thanks.


Farzad
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