New power PC for my studio. Need some advices..

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softpiano
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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:06AM
Hi folks.. It's time for me to buy the brand new PC for my studio.. I can no longer work like that by restarting the Cubase several times a day, cuz it just can't handle my vsts....

I'm planning to have a 32gb of RAM memory.. But i know there is a very important thing to choose the motherboard and the processor for such quantity of RAM.. I know not all brands go smoothly with 32gb RAM.. But i also want my PC to run as good as possible with music.. Maybe somebody can tell me something about that? What brands of motherboard and processor i should choose..
WoodenStudio
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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:21AM
I've been working with PC for 10 years, and a lot of people told me to change to mac.. I was really lazy to do that because I would have to renew all my software, plugins, and learn how to use the new things...  Finally , I changed to mac 4 years ago. The first 2 month I had to get used to new software (logic), but now, I think is one of the best decisions I did for my studio, no more restarting or rebooting, no more software problems.. I think It is worthy!
softpiano
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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:29AM
I was considering that option some time ago.. But i decided to stay on PC and Cubase.. I guess that's more the matter of taste and regional questions.. I'm sure i'd love mac.. But i can't let myself to spend a looot of money for mac and then for all the software i already have for PC....
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:54PM
Hi!


I was recently thinking about 'audio pc' also, and my conclusions are, that if you don't buy a expensive gfx card - which you practically don't need at all when only audio editing, you can make some savings, and if you decide to buy a PROPER wink computer - like with 32Gb Ram, i wouldn't save money in choosing processor, motherboard & RAM.


What i can recommend/help:


Processor: Choose from Intel i5 or i7 models, (or AMD equivalents it's up to You, but the fact is that Intel is now on the top, and 3rd gen of i7 are extremely good, AMD is still chasing...), If you want to have 32 Gb Ram memory i think You shouldn't save on cheaper processors, so i would choose from highest versions of i5 or i7, and also what important choose from 2nd or 3rd(recomended) generations of these processors. Newer generations will also be more efficient in power consuption.


Motherboard: In My opinion it is really up to You as long as it ofcourse supports You processor(socket), amount of ram you want to insert, and type fo your memory(DDR3-1600 for example.). Choose from the top models, from my experience - Gigabyte Motherboards are goode choise, but i also heard good opinions abous Asus motherboards.In my opinion if you go for more expensive models from the most 'known' brands You won't get bad product.


RAM: I have good experience with Patriot & Kingston RAM, i would choose DDR3 with 1600Mhz frequency. Choose Ram with as small 'CL' humber as possible, the lower the beter.

HDD: Don't forget that it is also very important! Even extremely fast pc with fast Ram is as slow as it slowest component - in most cases it is the hard disk drive, be shure that it is fast! Maybe not SSD Disks yet - they are now too expencive and have not enough space. But have it in mind that slow hdd generally makes pc much slower that other components really are and could be smile

 


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Concluding: No copromises smile If You are about to spend concrete money for Pc, buy it ONCE, and be shure that it will last for couple of years with great performance.


Maybe You should also think about number of PCIE ports for some FireWire extension cards or something like that ?


I have very nasty issues with electrical noise & hum with my firewire ports on my motherboard i would definetely don't want to have them in my new motherboard, but huh... how to check it before buy..?smilei hope that highend models of motherboards won't have such problems - maybe You should have an eye on this problem smile

Awww man, i'm now dreaming about my new Pc....But..Not yet, not yet ...biggrin



To be shure - there is no advertorial text here! Thats only my experience and some advice! smile

(Edited on 2013-02-16 17:07:55 by Tmk_d)

(Edited on 2013-02-16 17:18:33 by Tmk_d)
AudioGate
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:58PM
Good luck buying your PC its always a big investment. I have a new iMac coming on Tuesday and will need to see how thunderbolt and usb3 works out. My biggest conversion is to a complete flash drive. I am getting 756gb it with no old HD moving parts, which should make it super fast. I find that even with maxed out RAM the workflow is slowed down a fair bit on an old moving parts HD. Since working with a MacBook Air (that works in 64 bit on 4gb of RAM) and the speed of opening and closing, loading plugins and working with multiple instances of some plugins etc. it has been really painless.

For me MAC is more about being self-sufficient in trouble-shooting problems. PCs tend to have many layers of complexity to fix a problem.
softpiano
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:39AM
Tmk_d: thanks for Your sugestions. I find all what You said really useful. As for the processor, Intel i7 is in my plans As for the motherboard (still in discussions with IT specialists..)
As for RAM:
1) What did You mean by saying that: "Choose Ram with as small 'CL' humber as possible, the lower the beter." ? I'm not ver good at computer stuff, maybe You could explain it better?
2) And what did You mean about the PCIE ports? What are they?
As for now i'm working with RME fireface UC.. So it's connected via USB 2.0.. I'm thinking about the change to RME fireface 400. It has the fireware connection..
3) Do You think i would feel the difference?

AudioGate: nice to hear You are getting Your new iMac! I hope it will make Your job easyer!
Tmk_d
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:41PM
Of course !smile



Posted By softpiano:
1) What did You mean by saying that: "Choose Ram with as small 'CL' humber as possible, the lower the beter." ? I'm not ver good at computer stuff, maybe You could explain it better? smile




 


I ment that often as a parameter of RAM memory it is given an CL number which means CAS Latency which meansColumn Address Select Latency, WHICH MEANS smile in shortcut - number of cycles/time that lasts between sending a request from ram controler to the ram memory, and returning the value by the memory.
So the lower the CL number is, the less cycles of the clock RAM will 'waste' or spend to find what you want and give an value of concrete cell to You - meaning to Memory Controler smile So it's kind of - how fast memory can give you it's values. The CL varies from 9 - 11 in most cases, but i recently found even with 7, i would advise to choose these with CL = 9 smile
If i'm not straight enough please tell me i can try to explain it again in different way smile


 




2) And what did You mean about the PCIE ports? What are they? smile
As for now i'm working with RME fireface UC.. So it's connected via USB 2.0.. I'm thinking about the change to RME fireface




 


it's PCI express slot on motherboard, when you can put some extension cards like if You want to extend number of firewire/usb ports etc you put an extension card in the PCIE port on you motherboard. Here is an example -here, its an PCIE firewire ports card.
Every Motherboard has(or should have^^smile) at least one but if You don't feel like connecting more than 2 Firewire Interfaces etc, you probably wont need more.


 



Posted By softpiano:
3) Do You think i would feel the difference?




Objective difference is speed, FireWire Port is faster than Usb 2.0, so you get less latency - here you will feel the difference. Usb 3.0 is practically as fast as firewire this ports are competiting now on market, i think.... BUT, there is some problems with firewire power supply. Many interfaces connected by firewire have electrical hum and noises, caused in most cases by motherboard failures, or FireWire Ports defects, or wrong wires. But as i read about these kind of problems no one never exactly knows what causes it. Sometimes its an Ac adapter plugged in the same extension cord that gives some electrical hum to PC and than it gets somehow to motherboard and to FireWire port, but as i read there is as many cases as many reasons...thats a WEIRD stuff...^^smile

What is shure FireWire is very vulnerable for problems with electrical noise.


I recently run into problem with firewire Saffire Pro 14 interface, my pc gives a lot of ...nasty electrical hum on my audio monitors which is really a pain, and i can't get rid of them, probably i will need to change my motherboard....


But that is only my experience, i'm not discouraging You from FireWire Interface (i'm pretty shure that the problem is with my (kind of old...wink motherboard), but just have that in mind. I went from Line6 Usb 2.0 interface to this Saffire Pro, and i'm very happy about preformance and all the stuff - my only pain is this hum & noise... If You have a possibility to CHECK interface with you new pc before buying - i would recommend it ! smile


 


 

(Edited on 2013-02-17 15:46:23 by Tmk_d)

(Edited on 2013-02-17 15:47:19 by Tmk_d)
AudioGate
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:23PM
Saffire Pro is amazingly brilliant. I have it and was really interested to find out that our audio team at work have it too. It's an exceptional piece of kit and heaps cheaper than the RMEs or Apoggees!!

And thanks SP looking forward to speed
softpiano
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:28AM
Thanks again for explanations.. As for that noise: when i was buying my RME i was told, that if i have a poor motherboard with bad fireware ports, i should better buy a sound card with USB, not fireware.. So i guess Your noises might be caused cuz of the old motherboard.. Maybe the seller meant exactly that problems..
Tmk_d
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:51AM
yup, thats probably the problem smile so don't mind it, if You buy a new PC you probably won't have any problems witth that smile


AudioGate - I agree!! I'm pleased especially with Mic Preamps (these are Neutrik PreAmps if i'm right), there were awarded couple of times and they have really really low  noise and nice gain! Also Price of this interface was very ok - meaning price/quality ratio. I hope i will buy new motherboard soon so i can at last hear the SILENCE in my monitors ^^.


Good Luck in completing Your PC softpiano smile


 

(Edited on 2013-02-18 03:51:33 by Tmk_d)
BataLaki
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:24AM
I think it is more about stability. For some years now PCs are more than adequate even for the most demanding projects. Now I have 8 GB RAM Intel i3 configuration for two years. I don't remember the case when processing power was insufficient even with 40ch+ projects with lots of processing. Sure INTEL i7 Ivy Bridge with 32GB would be nice, but you should be focused on stability issues. Or just get a Mac...
softpiano
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:30PM

Posted By BataLaki:
...but you should be focused on stability issues..


Could You be more specific? What did You mean by saying that?
BataLaki
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:05PM
Some time ago, my system used to crash with no apparent reason. I tried to reinstall everything and that helped. For two months. And then it started all over again.  Then I changed RAM and Motherboard so that solved problems ! It used to be VERY stressful recording some live concerts praying the system won't crash in next few hours! That's when I started to think about iMac...
So, if your new Intel i7 system works without problems I can't see scenario in which insufficient processing power can cause you any trouble! Go for it!
softpiano
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:23PM
Thanks BataLaki

(Edited on 2013-02-18 15:23:11 by softpiano)
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:25PM

Hi Softpiano,


I have a suggestion for you.


ADK Pro Audio specializes in building audio specific machines and have tested the components for the best combinations.  Go to their site and do one of two things:


1. Order a system customized to your liking using the select component options.  I am not sure of they ship overseas.


2. Or, you can just customize the system online (click on "customize") and then copy the list of components you will need and either build it yourself or have someone locally do it for you.


There are so many possibilities for components that the more you look into it the more confusing it will get.  These guys have been doing it for years and have already done the work.


Just an idea.


Here's the link:  http://www.adkproaudio.com/choose2.asp


Couldn't get a link using the linky bar.

(Edited on 2013-02-19 13:31:56 by Zuki)
softpiano
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:03PM
Thanks Zuki. I believe that might be really useful. Will check it for sure! Thanks again
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:53PM
Posted By softpiano:
Thanks Zuki. I believe that might be really useful. Will check it for sure! Thanks again wink


No problem.


Customize the components by choosing different options from the drop down menu and when you're done scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the update button.  If you choose a mismatched component you will be warned in bright red letters after you hit the update button.  You can also click on "more info" at the right of each component option and it will give you all the available info including the manufacturer's website.


Good luck.
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:18PM

I just bought a new PC.


ASUS motherboard, 32 GB of RAM, 3x 500 GB SSD disks + 2x 1 Tb SATA3 HD.
Newest Nvidia graphic cards (2x for 4 monitors) and i7 3630.


I works like crazy. Of course on 64-bit windows 7.


Oh...BTW... I changed from Cubase to REAPER. 1000x better and more stable DAW!
BataLaki
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:41PM
Beast!
softpiano
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:59PM
Wow Mitja I envy You those 3x 500GB SSD disks!! I also finally have my new power PC which is quite a beast as well

Processor: Intel i7 3770
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-HD3, Z77
Video card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950, 3GB DDR5 (384 Bit), HDMI, DVI, 2xminiDP,
1x 120GB SSD + 1x 2TB SATA 3 HD Black Edition 7200RPM
32GB RAM memory
64bit Win7

And now that's what i'm talking about Works like crazy as well! If only i could have aforded 3x 500 SSDs Anyway i have nothing to complain about my new PC
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