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Best Match Discussion - Feb 15, 2013

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Starkblast
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:38AM

YES


But only a few. Those didn't get the DL's I would have hoped for and are way down in BM. I held back on uploading after recent discussions fired up.
Krakozawr
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:24AM

one more look to the new BM.


Same search "girl (little+teen) + run (moving activiry) + park (man made space)


Just 7 vetta and 3 AC in the first 200, and just in very down positions.
Vertigo3d
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:55AM

Oh God...if possible turn back... BM 2012 before september... Because after september especially december 2012 something happening... view and dls extremally go down. New files after 1-2 dls just goto in black hole and dont have sale anymore.


I really hope the problems be resolved soon and we all be happy.


 


 
olaser
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:23AM
ETA: NO



I have more or less stopped uploading, only one every now and then to see if new ones are still dissapearing in BM. They are.


Views  gone by over 90% in Sep update, I have tried from different computers, views simply doesn't register unless you are logged in and goes to the details page. A few images had zero views and one download, pretty good ratio but images are still buried deep in BM. (Shouldn't a sale count as a view? smile )


Almost only old files are selling, fortunately I have a few old ones with ok downloads that now have started to sell again.


Also, I have problems with pictures not taken in my home town. Seems like the photografers' registered home address is more important than where the picture is taken. 


 


 

(Edited on 2013-02-18 10:37:22 by olaser)

(Edited on 2013-02-18 10:38:54 by olaser)
Lobo
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:18AM
Two several quick notes for people who have decided to skip the majority of my posts(which I will soon add to the OP, not that that helps) before they jump into the conversation:

  • There is no going back to a specific date where you(contributors) were pleased with the sort.
  • Sales, memory lane, summaries of all things unrelated to BM aren't welcome in this thread*
  • Best Match isn't for contributors, it's for buyers
  • We will never please everyone, you don't have to tell us you aren't pleased. It's not like we have a stampede of people coming back into the forums to tell us that they are happy with things(Okay, some of you do, the lions share don't)


I could have gone on and on, but I think you all probably get the point. We would like to be able to view your findings as I know you are actively watching things. As it happens, so are we. However, contributors tend to have a very specific relationship with their investigations which actually helps us so we do want to have an opportunity to see what you are seeing.

Anyhoo, keep things on track. Stay focused. Stay civil.
hectorblg
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:23AM
Just a single question, isn't it unfair and kind of a never ending cicle that new files climb positions in BM according to their views? How are they going to climb if in the first place they are so behind in BM and because of that they never get views??? How would customers will know about this new files if they are never seen???? Like that, most of new files will be doomed... I think that new files need to get a much better exposure, for example like deviantart where they have different ways of kind of a BM (they call it there popular). They have a search with newest files of 1 week old, files 6 months old, and then all time. In most of companies, they always have a NEW CONTENT link big and visible at first sight, here there's a very little one at the bottom....
lauradyoung
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:31AM
^I have to agree. I have pretty much stopped uploading new files. They are not selling. AND I used to use the number of views as a tool to gauge what I should upload to begin with. If a particular set of files generated a lot of views - I would conclude, okay - that subject is generating views and potential sales. That seemed to work well. Ultimately, sales followed. Files with few views told me to move onto something else. It's like being in the dark now. 
CraigNeilMcCausland
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:39AM

I agree with Vertigo3d--everything, for me anyway, was working great before the September fiasco.


My question is key words and how they relate to searches. I will give this example:


Image #21696842 (I won't dare show it for fears that I might get shot if I do!!)


This is an image of a thunderstorm and lightning striike over Fort Laurderdale, Florida. My first key words when I submitted the image were:


Thunderstorm, Lightning, City, Fort Lauderdale


If you open the file the first four key words are:


Built Structure, Building Exterior, Urban Scene, Night


If you search for Thunderstorm (my first keyword), there are 227 pages of images


If you search for Building Exterior (iStocks first key word) there are 10,088 pages of images


Obviously, anyone searching for my image would have better luck finding it under Thunderstorms than Building Exteriors.


Who determines which key words are used and what order they are in??
whitemay
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:43AM

I've noticed the same thing with recent acceptances. The keywords almost seem to be appearing in the reverse order to that in which they were submitted.


ETA Edited for bad grammar!

(Edited on 2013-02-18 11:56:33 by whitemay)
ramihalim
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:50AM

Ok, fair enough Lobo, I guess you have a point there that we're seeing things from a contributer perspective. But I am geniunly interested in iStock's perspective. 


what do you guys think that buyers are interested in more? best selling images or fresh new ones? I understand you're trying to find the right mix.. can you share your thoughts on this please?


 
Whiteway
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:06PM
Posted By CraigNeilMcCausland:
Who determines which key words are used and what order they are in??

The idea is that external views determine the order of the keywords – the keywords used most in obtaining views should top the bill.

My suspicion is that, since views are screwed, this is no longer effective.
jjneff
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:12PM
BM will always be a wild beast, my question is can you push back the NTSC/PAL files for video as they do not sell as well.
CraigNeilMcCausland
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:13PM
Thanks Whiteway--I was just curious how the Key Words came into play.
LeeAnnWhite
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:20PM
Posted By CraigNeilMcCausland:

I agree with Vertigo3d--everything, for me anyway, was working great before the September fiasco.


My question is key words and how they relate to searches. I will give this example:


Image #21696842 (I won't dare show it for fears that I might get shot if I do!!)


This is an image of a thunderstorm and lightning striike over Fort Laurderdale, Florida. My first key words when I submitted the image were:


Thunderstorm, Lightning, City, Fort Lauderdale


If you open the file the first four key words are:


Built Structure, Building Exterior, Urban Scene, Night


If you search for Thunderstorm (my first keyword), there are 227 pages of images


If you search for Building Exterior (iStocks first key word) there are 10,088 pages of images


Obviously, anyone searching for my image would have better luck finding it under Thunderstorms than Building Exteriors.


Who determines which key words are used and what order they are in??



Posted By whitemay:

I've noticed the same thing with recent acceptances. The keywords almost seem to be appearing in the reverse order to that in which they were submitted.


ETA Edited for bad grammar!

(Edited on 2013-02-18 11:56:33 by whitemay)

I THOUGHT the keywords were looking all scrambled up!!  Mine seem to be in a very random order.  Thought I was imagining things...glad to hear I'm not losing my mind!  i would much rather they stay in the order I enter them.......
CaseyHillPhoto
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:21PM
Question: It's always been that BM was shaken up every so often. Will that still be the case moving forward? It sounds like Mary is trying to find the "sweet spot" that fits buyers' needs first and foremost. But will that algorithm be changed up regularly like usual?
ilbusca
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:02PM
I think the whole point is that if you search for "woman":


- in the 2nd position of the BM, there is a silhouette of a business team (with some women in there) whose fist relevant keywords are "Business, People, Meeting, Office, Communication, Occupation, Teamwork, Business Person".


- in the 5th position of the Best Match there is a photo of a man. There are 2 women as part of the office team on the defocussed background. The first relevant keyword are "Business, Team, Businessman, Business Person, Office, Group Of People, Men, Leadership"


- in position 14th there is a photo of 4 hands (2 of them probably belong to a woman) putting together a puzzle. Keywords: "Business, Teamwork, Puzzle, Communication, Partnership, Team, Meeting, Organization"


Then there is a video of a woman's arm outside a car, and a handshake between a woman and a man.


If I was a buyer, I would expect, instead, something like this (click on the "image" results).


I think keywords relevance has been lost after the cash sales update in September bringing irrelevant new files in front of searches. The "temporary" fix in December pushed files with an high number of downloads in front of searches but most of them are irrelevant too, although being these files "Best sellers" makes the overall look of the search "less bad", the abovementioned examples for a very common keyword show the problem. Also, many of these files pushed to the front are very old, sometimes from 2003, since at that times they were very cheap and the same file could be downloaded thousands times (see, for example the search "meadow" in position 19).


Since the BM is for buyers, and not for contributors, I wouldn't push these kind of files in front of search beacuse the "meadow" file from 2003 is 1024 x 768 pixels as maximum resolution! Not because it's a bad photo or because I wasn't on istock at that time. Simply, it's too old to be in the first page. Sensors, software and lenses have improved a lot in the last 10 years and buyers are looking for 2013's standards, not 2003's.


From a contributor point of view, motivation is an important thing in this business. If I keep selling old photos I don't feel motivated to invest money and upload new files, so even if the BM is for buyers, its behaviour influence my (and many others) production and therefore the overall quality of istock's collection.

(Edited on 2013-02-18 13:06:37 by ilbusca)
Krakozawr
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:35PM
Yes, of course, BM is for buyers. But if many-many contributors see that his sale is dramatically dropping after the BM change - it'i may be an indicator of bad BM for buyers too, i think ;0)

My private opinion that the BM is overcomplicated now. As a result is providing a bad relevancy that bad for all. 

Dear LOBO, I really have an idea to boost BM relevancy. It may be not easy to implement (not a fact!) but it may work, i think. I can't decide about it usefulness because i, like any other, know nothing about a real BM mechanism. And I don't want to publish it in the open forum according many reasons. If You have some interest for it, I will write You in private with pleasure. Just let me know. Don't worry, i'm not a crazy man who wait for obligatory realisation of my ideas Sorry my English.
Spencer_Whalen
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:21PM
Wow BM is brutal for me at the moment! All my video's are from 2012 and are deeply buried! Most video's above them aren't suited as well and are older files. There seems to be a lot of video's from the same series and far too many flames and vetta files. My video's with Downloads / Views and Lightbox entries seem to make little difference. It seems like my video's are bait to older files Not Happy!
alanphillips
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:50PM
Posted By Whiteway: 

The idea is that external views determine the order of the keywords – the keywords used most in obtaining views should top the bill.

My suspicion is that, since views are screwed, this is no longer effective.

Considering that views play a significant role in determining the position of a file in a BM sort, together with the fact that apparently views affect the order/relevance of keywords, I think that your suspicions are warranted. Considering also Marco's post three posts above it looks like the the change in views recordings has affected keyword relevance and B*gg**d -up the entire system.
mlwinphotoCLOSED
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:10PM

What about dividing the BM into 2 parts say one category that includes files from 2009 on and another category with the earlier files.


That way the oldies but goodies will continue to get the placement they deserve and the newer files will have a chance to do their thing.


Just a thought.
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