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yongyuan
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:49AM

I am a newbie here, but there are something I am interested in. 


Does timelapse sound like a good choice for videographers?


For exclusive members,how much proportion does Getty sale take in your earning?


And a old question, is 23.98fps a good choice? ( I use it because Getty commends it to covert clips to other frame rates. I live in China, using PAL, but I do not think there are many Chinese buyers at istock.)


Thank
editboy23
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:06PM

IMO timelapse has been overdone.  Unless you find something really cool I'd limit it.


I've always gone with 29.97 fps because it's easier to convert by cutting frames out (to 23.98)


Good luck!  Things have been rough here (sales) as of late.  I wish you the best!
jamesbenet
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:11PM

Time-lapse is overdone as editboy23 says but if you find something that has not been exploited on time-lapse then go ahead.  There are things that have not been recorded.  However the saturation of the technique is heavy and soon Slow Motion will be in the same situation. 


I shoot 24p for video and 30p for animation.  24p can be easily converted into PAL 25 and NTSC 29.97 if needed by repeating frames. If you cut frames from 30p to get there you get motion problems and omission of frames. in 24p repeating frames does get you a slower view on NTSC but on PAL its almost indistinguishable. 


Animation can be slowed or speed up easily because usually is more forgiving hence I upload at 30p.


As for sales I am not sure if 24p or 30p is the right frame rate, I just go by what looks more pleasing to the eye which in my view is 24p. It just feels more cinematic.
Maulsmasher
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:20PM
I agree time-lapse and tilt shift is a saturated market, however if you think you can add something new and of value then I'd say go or it.
funky-data
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:42PM
Taking the risk of hijacking your thread, regarding the frame rates, I thought 25p was the best option, because it can be converted to 24 and 30 with the least problems. This is compared to shooting 30 or 24.
EricFerguson
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:11PM
24 pulls down nicely to 60i (2.5x 24 = 60) and is also used a LOT on the web now. 25 is really just an awkeard hanger-on from the days of PAL, I think it would be hard to make a case nowadays for shooting at 25.  

You'd have to be very creative or very technically proficient to do anything except pick up the scraps in the timelapse niche on iStock now. Not a very beginnger-rewarding market to jump into.
yongyuan
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013 5:57AM

Seems that I will continue use 24p and see.


What about Getty sales? Does anyone know about it?


Also, if possible, I will someone can tell me what kind of video is suitable for a beginner if timelapse is not a good choice? (However I personally do not like 3D renders much and I suppose it is very very hard to learn from the very first. )
toomasili
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013 6:16AM
Posted By EricFerguson:
24 pulls down nicely to 60i (2.5x 24 = 60) and is also used a LOT on the web now. 25 is really just an awkeard hanger-on from the days of PAL, I think it would be hard to make a case nowadays for shooting at 25.  

You'd have to be very creative or very technically proficient to do anything except pick up the scraps in the timelapse niche on iStock now. Not a very beginnger-rewarding market to jump into.

From the days of PAL? Didn't know the days of PAL are over..
DnTprod
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013 7:24AM
Posted By yongyuan:

What about Getty sales? Does anyone know about it?


Also, if possible, I will someone can tell me what kind of video is suitable for a beginner if timelapse is not a good choice? (However I personally do not like 3D renders much and I suppose it is very very hard to learn from the very first. )


Hello Yongyuan ! For Getty sales I think you'll  find the most up to date informations in the current getty discussion of this video forum which takes a lot of interests of contributors. There are currently a lot of issues to get files in it, but it seems that some lucky contributors see all their new files getting in automaticaly. When it works it could be good, one month of 2012 I made half of my royalties with it. Currently it's really bad, it seems I made 0 for january, but because all my files have vanished of GI due to current bug, like a lot of us here. By the way you don't have to do anything, as you are exclusive (if I've well understood) your files will go to GI automatically.


Personnaly, I recommend you timelapses because it's a great way to shoot and learn technics, sure that the subject you choose and the conditions (lights, actions of the scene...) will do all. For sales, it's a fact for me that a "medium-quality" timelapse will always sell better than a "top-quality" flower shot (at real-time !). I have some timelapse that I didn't found great but I had surprise to have few sold. I see you are in Shangai, you certainly have a lot to do there that isn't already in the collection. Good luck !
yongyuan
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013 4:46PM
Posted By DnTprod:

Posted By yongyuan:

What about Getty sales? Does anyone know about it?


Also, if possible, I will someone can tell me what kind of video is suitable for a beginner if timelapse is not a good choice? (However I personally do not like 3D renders much and I suppose it is very very hard to learn from the very first. )



Hello Yongyuan ! For Getty sales I think you'll  find the most up to date informations in the current getty discussion of this video forum which takes a lot of interests of contributors. There are currently a lot of issues to get files in it, but it seems that some lucky contributors see all their new files getting in automaticaly. When it works it could be good, one month of 2012 I made half of my royalties with it. Currently it's really bad, it seems I made 0 for january, but because all my files have vanished of GI due to current bug, like a lot of us here. By the way you don't have to do anything, as you are exclusive (if I've well understood) your files will go to GI automatically.


Personnaly, I recommend you timelapses because it's a great way to shoot and learn technics, sure that the subject you choose and the conditions (lights, actions of the scene...) will do all. For sales, it's a fact for me that a "medium-quality" timelapse will always sell better than a "top-quality" flower shot (at real-time !). I have some timelapse that I didn't found great but I had surprise to have few sold. I see you are in Shangai, you certainly have a lot to do there that isn't already in the collection. Good luck !

Thank you DnTprod! I think I will still try some timelapse in my free time. (Still a student now so don't have a lot of time) And I have to improve my technique. And today some of my clips are rejected because of flickering problems, but I have no idea how to deal such kind of problem. 
jamesbenet
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013 9:01PM

Flickering is combated by several techniques and or software.


Use a manual lens with manual aperture. Aperture changes while shooting in AV mode or even manual mode can cause flickering because a certain F number is not always the same once the diaphragm is closed for taking the picture. A manual aperture lens that does not open or close electronically will have no variations in opening size and will be better to avoid flickering.


Deflickering software like GBS Deflicker or Virtual Dub Deflicker will help also. There are several other solutions that try to minimize it.


Use manual mode setting a speed, a manual lens and deflickering software to avoid flickering as much as you can.


 
helovi
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Posted Sun Mar 3, 2013 2:41PM

I dare to step in this discusion - as I am new in video here - what do you think is better - to have audio in video as well, for instance eating an apple, or is batter and more useful to have just video mute?


thanks for info
DnTprod
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Posted Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:55PM
In my opinion, if it can add to the scene it is always better to include it, and the client has the choice to not use it if he want, which is not possible in the opposite way! But if the sound is in bad quality, it's better also to not include it, it can also give them bad impression of quality.
jamesbenet
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Posted Sun Mar 3, 2013 10:16PM
Good audio quality and specifically designed or captured for the video then leave it.  If the audio is ambient and full of unwanted noise or other sounds strip it away.  Very few videos will work with included audio. I include it in some animations and works well but I have recorded and inserted the sound effects from a good initial recording of my own and a professional quality mix.
helovi
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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:26AM
Thansk for the info! Very useful. 
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