Best Match Discussion - March 7

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SearchFairy
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:54PM
Hello, Search Fairy here with an update on Best Match.
 
As you likely know, we made some adjustments that hit the site early Sunday, intended to place new files higher in the search results, and hold their place longer so they have a chance to prove themselves.  Based on the forum, it sounds like the change was favorable from a contributor standpoint.
 
However, we have seen an indication via site metrics that, since the change, customers are having a harder time finding content to use.  So, I need to back off a bit on the adjustments I made, trying to find a better balance so new images still get a chance, but customers aren’t hindered from finding files to use.  That change will go into effect early tomorrow (Friday). 
 
In the spirit of transparency, I want to state out loud that my goal is not to place brand new files on the first page of search results, because their relevance to the search is not yet known.  I’m fine with new files on the second page, but the first page needs to be crazy relevant to the search, because that drives people further into the site.  Recency and overall popularity would be secondary factors in determining what goes on the first page, but relevancy to the search should be primary there.
 
With that in mind, the next changes I want to make to Best Match are about improving relevancy on the first page.  Many of you have pointed out that the top results are currently too dominated by high downloads, which are image-level, not keyword-level, and therefore often not highly relevant to the search.  I don’t have a timeframe for those changes yet, but we are working on them.
 
Thanks for all your input and feedback, it is helpful.
 
Search Fairy
mlwinphotoCLOSED
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:06PM

I'm all in favor of the changes you are making tomorrow and, particularly, those mentioned in the last paragraph as I haven't had so much as a sideways glance since the adjustment of last Sunday.


Thanks for the update.  Fingers crossed.
synthetick
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:14PM
This highlights once again that we really could do with some sort of initial keyword weighting, provided by the contributor. Putting new files that have no keyword weighting high up in search results means that there can be a lot of irrelevancy.
luismmolina
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:28PM
Thanks for the heads up. 
amygdala_imagery
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:17PM
i'm thoroughly impressed with the transparency.  thank you.  i look forward to seeing how this next tweak plays out.  
wdstock
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:25PM
Not sure where this is all going, but it's nice to get some insight as to the direction and the reasons why. Thanks.
SteveDF
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:37PM
Thanks for the update. Makes sense to me. I am looking forward to the change. My sales are definitely down this week. A few down days does not make a definite trend but I was getting a little nervous.
DanielBendjy
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:38PM
Thank you for keeping us in the loop. The rationals for adjustments seem sound. Much appreciated.
Orchidpoet
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:55PM
Thanks a lot for the communication and transparency! Hopefully an optimal balance can be achieved through your continuing efforts.
becon
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 8:53PM

Sounds promising!! 


hoping that..


1. Files that prove themselves remain near the top of the search.


2. Files that were uploaded in the last while aren't gone for good.


I can't imagine how difficult this task is and i appreciate your ongoing efforts! Thank-you!
Krakozawr
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 10:17PM

Hi, dear SearchFairy


an indication via site metrics that, since the change, customers are having a harder time finding content to use.


I have a question Maybe it is not a bad but good sign? if I perform a search and see lot of useful content, I want to see more and better, it's stimul to take more time to search (better selection = hard choise)? - but if I receive bad result, I buy somethings fast because i need somethings, but next time i will go to other place...


Is this interpretation have no reasons?
Leontura
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 11:06PM
For illustrations, cheaper files seem to get a similar boost to expensive files. Cheaper ones have been slowly getting nearer the front for a long time. That costs us all money- if you could fix that aswell it'd be great
SilviaJansen
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 11:48PM
Thank you for the update.
I enjoyed it very much, that my new files got a boost in the past days, but i understand the reasons for change.
Juanmonino
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 11:51PM
Also E+ files are punished by the BM, please make sure they also get a fair treatment, right now new E+ files are sent way back in BM
mightyisland
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013 11:58PM

Good stuff. FTIW, last week saw my port perform as it was doing 2 years ago, buyers seemed to be finding and buying files again. This all changed last Sunday, which coincides with your comments Fairy. For me at least, last week was the sweet spot in the BM.


I know BM isn't about my sales, but the shift was really noticable.
shank_ali
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013 12:03AM

Hello, Search Fairy here with an update on Best Match.
 
As you likely know, we made some adjustments that hit the site early Sunday, intended to place new files higher in the search results, and hold their place longer so they have a chance to prove themselves.  Based on the forum, it sounds like the change was favorable from a contributor standpoint.


Thanks for the update.I was not happy with the change.My good Febuary has went up in smoke this week !


Why do you and the team need to use BM to highlight new work when the buyers have 'new' in the drop down sort .


I would be careful to gauge how the contributor base reacts to anything these days as the majority do not even read or venture into the forum.It has little to do with the business of producing files for the microstock industry.


 
Whiteway
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013 12:12AM
Posted By SearchFairy:
Many of you have pointed out that the top results are currently too dominated by high downloads, which are image-level, not keyword-level, and therefore often not highly relevant to the search.

If keyword relevancy is linked to views, and views are screwed, aren't you playing on a wonky playing field?

It would be interesting to know if getting the views algorithm to work as it did pre-last September is somewhere on the list of priorities? Because, at the moment, 'views' indicate very little. Doesn't this have an impact on keyword relevancy?
mikedabell
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:22AM

If views has anything to do with BM then we are on a wonkey playing field
Westbury
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:58AM
What about the problem of search results showing files from the same shoot all clumped together? Any prgress there?
ilbusca
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013 2:52AM
To me it looks awful. Until I see that 2003 file in the top 20 files for "green meadow" I know that something is wrong.

(Edited on 2013-03-08 02:54:33 by ilbusca)
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