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2013 iStock Exclusive Survey - Audio Discussion

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piccadillyCircus
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:12PM
Hi,
I just finished filling in the 2013 Exclusive Survey (accessed from an email received from iStock), then I tried to check the link on Lobo's post in the new announcements forum.

Here's the link, pointing to the Exclusive Forum:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=352205&page=1

Surprisingly, I cannot see any post by clicking there, the link keeps redirecting me to the forum home page.
Isn't being Audio Exclusive enough to access the Exclusive Forum? Or is it just a broken link?? Please help...
(Sorry if I missed something)

LOBO HAS COMMANDEERED THIS THREAD TO ALLOW FOR SOME DISCUSSION FROM THE AUDIO CONTRIBUTORS WHO ARE SEEMINGLY NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THE EXCLUSIVE FORUM.

(Edited on 2013-03-14 12:18:07 by Lobo)
Lobo
Mask of the Diablo Azul - Member has won between 1 and 3 Steel Cage matchesThis user has the power to wield the BanHammer, a weapon forged in the fires of hell for that get-off-my-planet quality you can't get anywhere else. You betta reckonize.Forum Moderator
Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:21PM
You are a rare beast. I think it might have been an oversight at the time of creation that Audio Exclusives would be unable to view the Exclusivity forums. As I can't provide you access at this time I've opened a thread for you to discuss things. We won't be making the discussion public at this time. Apologies for the inconvenience. We will work something out in the future so we don't run into this issue in the future.

(Edited on 2013-03-14 13:33:11 by Lobo)
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:22PM
mmm....so that wasn't a broken link...the gipsy was right!!!
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:44PM

Posted By Lobo:
We will work something out in the future so we don't run into this issue in the future.

...in the future...do you mean it's not a top-priority bug?
Lobo
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:53PM

Posted By piccadillyCircus:

Posted By Lobo:
We will work something out in the future so we don't run into this issue in the future.

...in the future...do you mean it's not a top-priority bug? :o

Are you telling me it should be a top priority? It's not a bug. I think the initial plan was to contain all the Audio Discussion - exclusive or non - into this one section of the Forums. It's something we can change if there is a need. Clearly in this instance it would probably have been nice to have the ability to have Audio Exclusives in the Exclusive forum also.

Let's see how many Audio Exclusives post here before we jump to any conclusion though.

(Edited on 2013-03-14 12:56:37 by Lobo)
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:22PM
Well I know its shouldnt be top priority, I was just surprised to discover that there's a forum section I cannot access (despite being exclusive).
Personally I think things are quite OK as they are, I mean, one Audio forum is enough for us, there's absolutely no need to split it in two...it would only cause more confusion to newbies...

But again, I think that lots of us (Audio Exclusives) would be happy to see what happens into this mysterious Exclusivity Forum...human sacrifice? Tribal dances?? Guitar duels with the devil??? Creative Research????
Lobo
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:26PM

Posted By piccadillyCircus:
Well I know its shouldnt be top priority, I was just surprised to discover that there's a forum section I cannot access (despite being exclusive).
Personally I think things are quite OK as they are, I mean, one Audio forum is enough for us, there's absolutely no need to split it in two...it would only cause more confusion to newbies...

But again, I think that lots of us (Audio Exclusives) would be happy to see what happens into this mysterious Exclusivity Forum...human sacrifice? Tribal dances?? Guitar duels with the devil??? Creative Research????

Frankly, it's mostly about Connector issues for mirroring content on Getty. I think the original idea was to have ALL Audio discussion in the Audio forums. Like I said previously, it was an oversight regarding the access Audio exclusives. We will see about fixing that up as soon as we can.
softpiano
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Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:33PM
What is exclusive forum?? If that's the link in the OP, then i'm just redirected to the main forums page...
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:31AM
Well, thx Lobo. And yes softy, that's what happens if you're not photo exclusive.
Anyway, back on track.
Since we have this pretty brand new Audio thread about the 2013 Survey, here's one thing I suggested in my form that maybe would be better discussed here:
lots of times during these 3+ years I realized how it's hard to keyword our tunes in a consistent way. I mean consistent=the same way for everyone. If it's hard for us, it must be dozen times harder for customers, right?
There are lots of things that make the metadata "too subjective", according to the uploader's culture, age, and nationality.
What is "happy" to me, for instance, could sound "not so happy" to you, and maybe "not happy at all" to Lobo, who knows...
Same with musical genres, which are often misunderstood, probably due to our different regional cultures.
What is "metal" to my neighbor could sound just "modern rock" to an average north american customer.
Motivational! Another difficult word I found. After the september "business music" thing, I realized that iStock's idea of "motivational" is quite happy and cheerful, while me and my neighbors have got a more "serious" or "epic" interpretation of this word.
And dreamy? And "affectionate"???

I realized I didnt pick the best examples, but probably we all know well what I'm talking about when speaking about "how difficult is to add the correct metadata to your own files". Now imagine how hard it can be for customers who have to scroll around thousands of files which were keyworded by so-different-people with so-different-cultures. Got it?

If I can dream BIG, I imagine to upload our files adding a brief description and keyword list which will only be a suggestion, which then will be replaced by a relevant (and consistent to the rest of the collection) keywording made by the inspector. If one-two guys do the keywording for all of us, then it MUST be consistent, right?? But hey, how much should you pay our inspectors to have them make this horrible job?

But consider this cheaper and long-term-friendly solution:
wouldn't it be awesome having a brand new stickie here in the Audio Forum, with some sort of "main keywords map", listing the main moods and genres? With examples to listen to!!!! Everyone (contributors and customers) could easily learn what are the main words used here and their exact meaning, just by listening to the examples.
The coolest thing would be that the same "map" would be made available to both uploaders and buyers. It could become our keywording (for contributors) and searching (for customers) bible, so that we will be able to speak the same language everyone!

ETA: confused the word "relevant" with "consistent", now it's OK, sorry
ETA2: did I say "stickie"? And why not a resident multimedia "start here" article on the Audio landing page???

(Edited on 2013-03-15 03:16:16 by piccadillyCircus)

(Edited on 2013-03-15 03:20:17 by piccadillyCircus)
LLMillerMedia
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:54AM

^The customer guide is a great idea as well as the examples.


Keywording can be subjective, I do have some tracks in multi-genres that could be keyworded with conflicting tags (for example, happy and melancholy. Sad and uplifting) I also think great light boxes are important to the process, as they can fill the gap that keywording the track may miss and could enable the buyer to find tracks they would have otherwise missed because of their keyword search.
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:03AM

Posted By LLMillerMedia:
I also think great light boxes are important to the process, as they can fill the gap that keywording the track may miss and could enable the buyer to find tracks they would have otherwise missed because of their keyword search.

Yap, lightboxes are a great way to gather similar stuff and offer it to customers, both the ones made by us contributors and (most of all) the ones made by the team and published on the landing page.
An extra mile could be explicitely telling customers something like: "Hey, did you like the overall mood/genre of this lightbox? We used these 3 keywords A B and C, try searching yourself also *LINK* "

(Edited on 2013-03-15 07:08:02 by piccadillyCircus)
LLMillerMedia
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:14AM
Yes, also a good idea...that will quickly teach a buyer how to search who doesn't have a lot of time, and when they come back and go to another lightbox they will learn even more relative keywords.
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:34AM
Well, I remember I answered a few "are you satisfied" questions in the Survey.
I told I was pretty satisfied, but now that the topic is brought to attention, I realize I have more 2 say:

If I have to tell about some unsatisfaction, then it's about some lack of transparency about this topic indeed. We're taught to kw our stuff in a quite generic way and (at least when it's about audios) the mood keywords that should be used risk to be over-interpretate or also mistaken by both uploaders and dowloaders.
Since iStock gathers people from all around the world, it should be one of the primary goals shashing our cultural boundaries by teaching us and them a unique interpretation of the main words.

PS: We do have some brief guide on "how to keyword audio", both in the stickies here, in the contributors guide pdf. Both should be updated, honestly. And in some recent article the guys shared some precious advice. That direction was the right one, boys! Please keep on giving us further details!!

(Edited on 2013-03-15 07:50:23 by piccadillyCircus)
piccadillyCircus
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:47AM
another suggestion: match the next Survey to some funny win-a-t-shirt contest, or some jazzy blingy icon
bonesmear
Member is a contributor and has less than 125 Audio downloadsForum Moderator
Posted Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:02PM
Messge recieved. There are changes in the works that address some of the points raised here. There is some old information and bad links that have been cause by updating protocols with the community quickly by forums but updates to the training manuals and stickies not keeping pace. 


This is directly on our plates this year and though it is a needley task we will push it forward. If you want to be apart of the solution you could fire me a sitemail when you come accross conflicting information so that we can do our best to edit or remove the missleading information. 


Since Kewording is attempting to hijack yet another thread any trailing interest can be picked up on when someone starts a new thread. Its not that keywording is not relevant in this thread it simply has the weght to kill this discussion.

(Edited on 2013-03-18 16:03:03 by bonesmear)
lennerCLOSED
Member is a contributor and has less than 125 Audio downloadsExclusive iStockphoto Audio Artist
Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:58PM
Pica has a great idea here with the keyword reference map and it can be further refined using customer feedback when a customer actually downloads a track e.g. "how would you describe this track?" with a dropdown list of prepouluated answers and another box with "other" that they can type into if they don't like the options in the predefined list. If a certain "other" keyword is used extensively it might become part of the predifinded list.


Even if everyone does not agree that this keyword means this and that keyword means that etc. I think if we have a reference map that caters for all kind of moods that says this keyword is this kind of music end of story, at least we're all singing to the same tune and no matter what kind of track you make it will fit into the refence map somewhere.

After a while I think contributors will start getting a knack for the reference map and get most track 99% correct and admins can just tweak keywords here and there. The most important thing is that the customer have consistent guidelines so in time they will also start getting the knack of searching using those guidelines and find the tracks they are looking for much easier/quicker

(Edited on 2013-03-20 13:08:19 by lenner)
LLMillerMedia
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Posted Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:35PM

Posted By lenner: 
"...and another box with "other" that they can type into if they don't like the options in the predefined list. If a certain "other" keyword is used extensively it might become part of the predifinded list."


I think that's a really good idea. 
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