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martinwimmer
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:18AM
We feel for the past months "unmoderated". I find it very unfortunate that the German forum moderator is no more. I miss some of the positive idea templates from previous contributors - someone who holds the photographers happy and supplied with information. The European market could drop more if various actions to be attentive makes. Europe is by the many different cultures different than the rest of the world - but there's a lot of potential in the photographer and especially in the media market. I would be happy if - especially the German-speaking countries - are not forgotten.

LOBO COMMANDEERED THIS THEAD

This thread will discuss the viability of the inclusion of additional Forums for a handful of the more common languages our contributors use. As we have always done the majority of our communications in English this has forced ALL our contributors who want to be able to communicate with us in the forums to rely on English. We'd like to have a discussion with you all, unfortunately, in English to establish what this all means to the contributor base.

I will update this post as we go. I'd like to start by just getting an idea as to what you think we could accomplish and how we could manage it. I'm willing to entertain the idea of expanding the languages we offer space for, but it would really depend on the amount of Contributor participation, and more specifically Contributor self moderation.

Let's see what we can do. Please offer your suggestions, concerns, and opinions.

(Edited on 2013-03-28 08:49:56 by Lobo)

(Edited on 2013-03-28 08:50:17 by Lobo)
Whiteway
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:24AM
As a UK contributor, I certainly get more visits from Germany than from any other European (non-UK) country. But I'm sure iStock's statistics show what an important market Germany represents, so good luck.

(Edited on 2013-03-25 05:07:43 by Whiteway)
graemenicholson
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:44AM
Einverstanden, ein wäre gut obwhol, na ja, solange nicht überheblich. The man spricht deutsch ( great title, reminds me of Gerhard Polt) forum is a lot more lively and fun than over here. And you are absolutely right when you say 'Europe is by the many different cultures different than the rest of the world - but there's a lot of potential in the photographer and especially in the media market. I would be happy if - especially the German-speaking countries - are not forgotten.'
ollo
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:00AM

Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum
cobalt
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:04AM

Thank you Ollo...


Yes, it would be nice if there was someone there to carry the flag. It would also be great to see more language forums. 
Lobo
Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:10AM
Wait, you guys want moderation? Okay.

Let me be clear about something though: Buyers don't use the forums. They do not use the forums.

I think part of the reason the German Forums are so fun is because your a much smaller community of contributors. It's like a more expansive Social section on the site. When we had a German office we had more resources available to moderate that forum. The same thing applies to the French forum - but that's a different story altogether.

Our principle language of communication towards the Contributor base has always been English. That probably won't change. Closing the non-English forum sections has been discussed a number of times but I think we just need to change the scope. I'm actually fully behind the inclusion of addition language forums, however, we aren't looking to have a carbon copy of the English forums available in six other language.

I watch the German and French forums so I know who is active in there. I tend to see most of those people in the English forums too. I appreciate it would be terrific if people could communicate in their native tongue and have feed back from admins in their native tongue, but we don't really have the resources for it.

That said, I'm not sure what you are asking in reference to your post. So please feel free to tell me what you're wanting to happen.

(Edited on 2013-03-25 06:11:25 by Lobo)
graemenicholson
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:14AM
Posted By ollo:

Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum biggrin

So funny
Lobo
Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:21AM

Posted By graemenicholson:
Posted By ollo:

Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum biggrin

So funny

It's funny that you all would come up and mention the lack of Moderation when in fact you don't want it. Now I'm going to be more active in there so it's funny to me too.

Ill fire up the always efficient google translate and get to it right away
martinwimmer
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:26AM
Admittedly, the title of the forum is not perfect
But for months, the German forum is no more rational communication. The photographers discussing among themselves. It has a bit of the feeling that no one cares about us in Canada. There are also a lot of ideas that do not arrive at the HQ or elsewhere. That I find very sad. I know everyone can go to the main forum, but i (maybe no one else) miss something without moderation and direct link to the HQ.
What I miss most is the marketing of European material. Even the last newsletter "european regional content" included Lighboxen 50 percent photos outside Europe ...
Funny to see. Why not start big Lighboxen over Europe, which will be advertised? In Europe! Few in Europe are aware of the outstanding works from Europe. Traditions, culture, regions, business ...
ollo
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:28AM

Masterstroke, Martin.


 


hamma26x27 


 
martinwimmer
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:40AM

If it serves the purpose I do not care what you think ollo. Sorry


 
Lobo
Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:30AM

Posted By martinwimmer:

If it serves the purpose I do not care what you think ollo. Sorry


 

Ollo likes the attention. I love giving attention.

Martin, I've been working on a number of things related to the forums lately. My first step was the reOrg of the main sections and a review and update of all the FAQs we have on the site. This was phase one of the forum ReOrg.

We have some additional phases planned that will include a long hard look at what we can accomplish with the non-english forum sections. I can assure you I'm not looking to eliminate the German forums, but I'm most certainly going to establish a new method of handling them. I can't promise we will be able to treat the Non-english forums like we treat the english forums. We have always, and I mean always provided the majority of our communications in English. I appreciate that is an impediment to communicating with the vast numbers of contributors who aren't english speakers(readers/writers) but we are looking to figure out a way to do that.

It comes down to contributor moderation. If we can see that it's possible for those forums to exist without an HQ resource having to recreate all the discussions we are having in the English forums then those forums are liable to continue existing. If there are great ideas coming out of the German Forums, it will fall on one of the participants in those forums that have a command of the English language to get in touch with me. We can do it. I don't think we need to give up on this portion of the forums, we will just have to adapt.
cobalt
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:49AM

Martin, you are already doing many things that are very good. I used to run monthly or bimonthly threads to post regional content or to shoot together for specific themes. Many subjects are similar every year (shooting winter themes in winter, summer in summer...)


Why don´t you just have a look at my old threads and start your own bimonthly theme threads? 2 months is a good time frame, enough time for people to plan and shoot. If you give your peers a clear subject, theme and time frame I am sure many will take it up. But you have to be patient and continue doing it. It also helps to compliment all those that post .


If you see an important subject in the main english forum or anywhere else on istock, just go ahead and open a new thread, do a small translation for the ones with less English skills and people will be very grateful.


There is a lot the German community can do without a moderator. And if you have any questions, just ask Lobo. Don´t be scared


If I had more time I would be more active, but in the next few months that will not be possible. But I would love to see the German forum thrive, it would make me really sad, if HQ decided to close it. 


 
martinwimmer
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:10AM
Jasmine, I am unfortunately very busy with my actual job. But thanks for the tip, when I find time I'll try that. But, I do not want to move myself into the foreground - also because of my limited time. Only the eternal whiners - who find every idea from the start bad - were annoying. That is also the reason why no one wants to post something positive. But we'll see.

Thank you for your detailed reply Lobo. Positive changes are always good.
 
Lobo
Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:19AM

Posted By martinwimmer:
Jasmine, I am unfortunately very busy with my actual job. But thanks for the tip, when I find time I'll try that. But, I do not want to move myself into the foreground - also because of my limited time. Only the eternal whiners - who find every idea from the start bad - were annoying. That is also the reason why no one wants to post something positive. But we'll see.

Thank you for your detailed reply Lobo. Positive changes are always good.
 

I agree the perpetual negativity is something that prevents people from participating. I get a high volume of sitemail from people who show appreciation for removing those sorts of people from the discussion. There is absolutely no problem with criticism. However, the majority of these people aren't here to provide criticism. They are only wanting to derail discussions because they enjoy being antagonistic.

They can go be antagonistic elsewhere, as far as I'm concerned.
Juanmonino
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Posted Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:18AM

Posted By ollo:

Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum :D

Geee I wish I could speak german
Lobo
Posted Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:23AM

Posted By Juanmonino:

Posted By ollo:

Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum :D

Geee I wish I could speak german :)

This makes me want to reconsider including a Spanish forum.
piola666
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Posted Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:55PM
ok, I'll start a petition for the italian forum!
graemenicholson
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Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:28AM

'It's funny that you all would come up and mention the lack of Moderation when in fact you don't want it. Now I'm going to be more active in there so it's funny to me too.'


Oh alright, you can play too. I would hate to think of you moping around the office and sulking because you felt you were missing out on the fun.


And what about the thousands of contributors who speak Swahili? They also need a forum. But beware, you don't want to know what they do to moderators.
CHBD
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Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:01AM
Posted By Lobo:


Posted By Juanmonino:


Posted By ollo:

Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum :D


Geee I wish I could speak german :)


This makes me want to reconsider including a Spanish forum.

How about Polish one ?
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