Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:07AM
or an Austrian one, eheh..
Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:27AM
Posted By CHBD:
Posted By Lobo:
Posted By Juanmonino:
Posted By ollo:
Honestly I'm enjoying the absence of a moderator in the german forum :D
Geee I wish I could speak german :)
This makes me want to reconsider including a Spanish forum.
How about Polish one ?
I think if we do decide to entertain the possibility of additional non-english language forums they would reflect the countries we are formally localized in. It's clear we wouldn't be able to do every language. It would really depend on the contributor numbers that are from/in the regions in which the languages are most prevalent.
I'm going to change the title of this thread today, and probably commandeer the OP to include some new clarity on the prospect of the non-english forum discussion.
Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:37AM
Maybe, also other languages have the right to have its own forum, but my concern was related to the German forum. I am / was of the opinion that European issues for the photo market could be very interesting. Perhaps it could be the more marketable by ideas from the forums. Forums are also not bad to assist photographers in their ideas. There may be local-minded presenters often useful.
BTW: German is the most spoken language in the European Union - 23 languages ??(wikipedia) are spoken in total here. If the German forum lives, it should remain in place. Perhaps also a European forum in English sense? Or maybe Swahili?
(Edited on 2013-03-28 09:10:57 by martinwimmer)
Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:07AM
We, brazilians, are waiting for a Portuguese forum.
Posted Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:18AM
I think it's good to keep the French forum (I preach to my parish is true ) because it can be exchanged quickly and easily between contributors. Anyway in general most of the contributors are also in the English forum ...
Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013 1:50AM
Posted By Lobo:
Posted By martinwimmer:
Jasmine, I am unfortunately very busy with my actual job. But thanks for the tip, when I find time I'll try that. But, I do not want to move myself into the foreground - also because of my limited time. Only the eternal whiners - who find every idea from the start bad - were annoying. That is also the reason why no one wants to post something positive. But we'll see.
Thank you for your detailed reply Lobo. Positive changes are always good.
I agree the perpetual negativity is something that prevents people from participating. I get a high volume of sitemail from people who show appreciation for removing those sorts of people from the discussion. There is absolutely no problem with criticism. However, the majority of these people aren't here to provide criticism. They are only wanting to derail discussions because they enjoy being antagonistic.
They can go be antagonistic elsewhere, as far as I'm concerned.
I quit posting in the German forums a long time ago, because I know I tend to be one of these evil antagonistic people.
But you know how's that coming? It's coming when you keep asking for answers on official issues that you do absolutely not comply with and you simply don't get answers or you get answers that show nobody is caring for your opinion, even if it costs you money and time. No, its not coming from the issues themself that you do not comply with, it's coming from not being heard, from not being asked, from not being answered, from having the feeling that the government is only keeping you around as a supplier for imagery (=cash) while you have to shut up on all other issues. When you ask for the reason why Istock gives away your images away for free on certain sites and you *do* have the right for an explanation. When you keep asking for answers why the producing contributors have to pay the bill for Istock not being able to secure their credit card payment system.
When people keep asking why the government can redo sales taking away money that you earned months ago without giving any reason and all you hear is „it’s always been like that, and additional to that – we make the rules. Comply or leave“. That’s what turns people from nice followers into evil antagonists.
You will find this kind of developement in every social or business group, from the smalltown fishing club or the company you work for up the a huge country and its governemnt.
Take your people serious and you will keep them reasonable. Throw them rotten meat and decide things over their heads without asking them for their opinion and they will rise up. First they rise up in volume, then, when unheard, in sarcasm and *wait, what was that word I have to google-translate later?* - yes, antagonism.
(Edited on 2013-04-01 01:53:40 by kickers)
Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013 6:53AM
Whew. I'm so glad you finally made it to the discussion, Kickers. We were actually having a civil conversation that was on topic. We wouldn't want that no would we?
April fools. Let's not let one person derail the discussion. I'm looking forward to hearing from more people on the idea of additional Non-english forums.
Posted Mon Apr 1, 2013 11:54PM
'I'm looking forward to hearing from more people on the idea of additional Non-english forums.'
I think the OP was suggesting a moderator/representative with industry knoweldge. In the case of the German forum I would ask this person a question relating to the Euro Trends Article (very useful, great presentation).
As for additional Non-english forums I thought of merging them into the main forum (I am NOT being sarcastic). It certainly would be interesting, but could produce a Tower of Babel effect and therefore unfeasible. It is evident you have given much consideration to this problem. You used the word 'Adapt'. In this context I have'nt got a clue what that means, (self moderation?), but I believe you are on the right track. There is, (I think), a tremendous amount of talent on this site, and an International forum would enable an advantageous exchange of ideas.