Measuring successful images

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tirc83
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:43AM

As a person with a modest number of downloads, I find it hard to measure which files are good ones. It's not really worth comparing your own numbers with that of others as portfolios can be vastly different, but comparing within your own may have some value.


 I have judged that my succesful files are the ones that have download figures that are approx 10% or better than the number of views. This has proven to be a good yardstick for me - what's yours?
tomazl
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:03AM
I look at number of downloads and compare with files that have been uploaded about the same time.
vandervelden
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:07AM
It was stated in the forums - quite some time ago - that an average of 1 download a month made an image successful enough to keep.
Your downloads/view figure will be highly dependent on keywords. I've noticed that some members who use huge numbers of very suspect keywords get massive amounts of views and few downloads.
Edited to add: This isn't with regard to your keywords, tirc83, it's just that a POPULAR keyword will distort an image's views. You have some beautiful photos in your portfolio - the subject matter (birds) just isn't a popular one, more's the pity.

(Edited on 2007-04-27 11:16:53 by vandervelden)
tirc83
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:08AM
Posted By tomazl:
I look at number of downloads and compare with files that have been uploaded about the same time.

Thanks for sharing that tomazi but doesn't that method assume that all uploaded files are viewed? In my case the number of views varies from file to file. Understandable as if someone is searching for an eagle pic they are hardly likely to look at beach shot I may have uploaded at the same time?
sjlocke
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:17AM

Posted By tirc83: what's yours?


If they earn money.
abalcazar
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:25AM
mine measure 3048x2072, those are the most succesful, other than that, is a mistery to me...
spxChrome
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:27AM
I gave that up a long time ago, you never know what will sell and what won't.  Its amazingly sporatic at best.
AndrewJohnson
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:59AM
I judge my best images by the number of dl's per month.
kickstand
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:23PM

1dl/month: OK
5 dl's/month: good
10 dl's/month: very good
15+: excellent 
PaulCowan
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:46PM
I've seen a file go from 40+ downloads a month to ten or less at the tweak of a search algorithm and others that seemed completely dead spring to life in the same way. Just because a file doesn't sell doesn't mean that it is bad, it may just be buried too deep in the pile for people to find it. And it could get there by pure bad luck. Files approved on Friday night, for example, may have thousands ahead of them by monday morning, when most buyers return to work.
MichaelJay
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:13PM

I don't like the number of views either... One image can have 5 views per month because it's a very limited topic but still get downloaded on one of those five occasions - this would be the most successful image with your method. Another file could be viewed a hundred times in a popular topic but with a lot of competition it might get only three downloads out of that. I would prefer the 3 DLs/month over the 1 DL/month... Or differently: The purpose of putting images on iStock is to earn money, so the images earning the most dollars are the most successful by definition.


 
LawrenceSawyer
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:40PM
Naked women shots get a lot of views and few sales. Sports shots get fewer views and a lot of sales. Soooo.... naked women doing sports should be the magic combination!
PaulCowan
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:11PM
Posted By shooterguy:
Naked women shots get a lot of views and few sales. Sports shots get fewer views and a lot of sales. Soooo.... naked women doing sports should be the magic combination!
How did you manage to find out that naked women shots get lots of views and does your wife know what you were doing?  Don't worry, I won't tell her as long as you download two of my pics a day from now on.
InkkStudios
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:16PM

 

Posted By PaulCowan:
I've seen a file go from 40+ downloads a month to ten or less at the tweak of a search algorithm and others that seemed completely dead spring to life in the same way. Just because a file doesn't sell doesn't mean that it is bad, it may just be buried too deep in the pile for people to find it. And it could get there by pure bad luck. Files approved on Friday night, for example, may have thousands ahead of them by monday morning, when most buyers return to work.
I agree with Paul
Down2theXRoads
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:17PM
We're supposed to look? I just check my overall dls to see how far away I am from becoming exclusive.

What a novel idea to see which images are selling best and take it from there.

Shooter, Paul might not tell, but us women stick togeher. You are soooooo busted
halfshag
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:33PM

If they earn money.


If I get a 'semi'.
EduLeite
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:37PM

Very nice theory...

Posted By shooterguy:
Naked women shots get a lot of views and few sales. Sports shots get fewer views and a lot of sales. Soooo.... naked women doing sports should be the magic combination!
bsak
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:41PM
The success of an image, to me, can be judged in two ways -- 1) overall (or historical) success and 2) current (or ongoing) success. For overall (or historical) success, I think using either the total amount of money made or the total number of downloads work equally well. But... it's important to recognize photos that, even though they may have made a lot of money in the past, are no longer successful. And for that reason I think an estimate of current (or ongoing) success is a more meaningful number. Looking at the average earnings of an image, per day, seems to make the most sense and is pretty easy to compute. As an example, I have two fishing photos -- one has been available for about 6 months and has 35 downloads. The other, that has been available for 3 weeks, has a single extended license download. The photo that has been downloaded 35 times is currently earning 14 cents per day, while the one that has 1 download is earning $1.02 per day. The photo that has been downloaded once is currenly more successful, even though the other photo has been downloaded more and made more money overall -- of course, if the photo that has 35 downloads keeps selling and the other doesn't, that conclusion will change with time. At minimum, the ongoing success of any image will fluctuate. Tracking the current (or ongoing) success of images can easily be done by creating a simple Excel spredsheet and updating it on a regular basis.
LawrenceSawyer
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:32PM

Posted By lobaaaato:

Very nice theory...

Posted By shooterguy:
Naked women shots get a lot of views and few sales. Sports shots get fewer views and a lot of sales. Soooo.... naked women doing sports should be the magic combination!


A theory is something that's unproven.


Shooter, Paul might not tell, but us women stick togeher. You are soooooo busted ;-)


So? It's research.
lagereek
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Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:38PM
trying to figure this one out is like bashing your head against a brickwall. Theres just no way of telling. Simple answer could be: if its being downloaded regularly well at least its commercially good.
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