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slobo
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 12:44AM
Posted By PaulCowan:

Posted By slobo:

As far as FBI goes, if it is a matter of national security common law can be overwritten on a spot.


I know nothing about US law (I'm British). All I can say is that if some jerk shouting "national security" means that your rights, established under laws that extend back 1,000 years (through the English system, ultimately) suddenly evaporate, then something is very very badly wrong with your system.


It is not just USA. Every country has some service that is above common law in the interest of national security. I don't know if it is FBI or some other service in the USA but I am sure there is, at least, one. And I can guaranty you that there is service with similar powers in GB as well. That however does not mean that just anybody can claim national security reasons to go above common law.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 3:20AM
Posted By slobo:
It is not just USA. Every country has some service that is above common law in the interest of national security.


To be clear, Statute Law (Acts of the legislature) does trump Common Law (legal precedent). But in this case, there is no statute law.


If you are saying that in every country there are state security organisations whose members can over-ride the law when they choose to, without fear of consequences, then I would disagree.


Any country where the state security apparatus is above the law is a police state, not a democracy and cannot be described as a "free country". One particularly troubling aspect of recent history has been the way in which people have been happy to accept that the rights of others can be infringed.


To rewrite the old saw: First, they came for the gypsies, and that was good because they caused all sorts of problems. Then they came for the homosexuals and we didn't mind seeing the back of those perverts. Then they came for the Jews, who seemed respectable enough, but they weren't really normal people like us, were they? But now they're knocking at my door and I'm just an ordinary photographer. Why can't anybody hear my calls for help?


 
sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 4:23AM

Posted By Meppu:
Are you selling these tees?


No, not me.
KimsCreativeHub
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 8:03AM
Amazing story! (Indeed) and awesome photos!!!!!!
slobo
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:25AM
Posted By PaulCowan:


If you are saying that in every country there are state security organisations whose members can over-ride the law when they choose to, without fear of consequences, then I would disagree.


I am positive about it.  Except I would replace "when they choose to" with "when they deem necessary". And, it makes absolute sense to me.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:33AM
Scary that anyone can think such a thing.
MikeCherim
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:43AM
Something similar happened to me two weeks ago, same type of situation. Unfortunately I erred on the side of caution (mostly to inform them so they didn't think I was a terrorist) and ask permission first. They told me no and sent me packing. I could have stopped and taken photos from outside the fence, but the guards were eye-balling me.

Maybe buying that special photag turban wasn't such a wise purchase after all.

Mike

PS. Great photos, by the way.
slobo
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:52AM
Yeah, those people in riots standing in the middle of a public street have right to be there. Over a time, I saw reports from every major country when people were denied their right to be in public places. Often brutally.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 11:33AM

Incredible. Where can I get a copy of iStock card, so that I can get some printed myself?


 
jeangill
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 11:41AM
It's not just the big stuff I was taking photos in a local street market in a high tourism area and more than one stallholder was twitchy. One told me I should ask first (please note, I was very obviously taking the produce, potatoes in one case!, not the people...) I ask first now but I really can't see what the problem is - I do think tourists will be put off. In this case, it's not fear of terrorism but, in my opinion, fear of losing out on some quick money...Thanks for the legal details - very interesting.
slobo
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 12:59PM
Posted By jeangill:
It's not just the big stuff sad I was taking photos in a local street market in a high tourism area and more than one stallholder was twitchy. One told me I should ask first (please note, I was very obviously taking the produce, potatoes in one case!, not the people...) I ask first now but I really can't see what the problem is - I do think tourists will be put off. In this case, it's not fear of terrorism but, in my opinion, fear of losing out on some quick money...Thanks for the legal details - very interesting.

It is not fear of terrorism but profit sharing interest. You want to take photo of their arrangement of their produce in place where they had to pay a fee ... They want a peace of it. I am assuming that you had "real" camera. P&S, tourist type, cameras are generally ignored.
jonathandowney
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 1:21PM
ahaha WOW. i would of been scared to death!!! lol
jeangill
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 1:50PM
Posted By slobo:

It is not fear of terrorism but profit sharing interest. You want to take photo of their arrangement of their produce in place where they had to pay a fee ... They want a peace of it. I am assuming that you had "real" camera. P&S, tourist type, cameras are generally ignored.



You're right, it's my first 'real' camera... but it's a Nikon D300, not one of the big boys and much the same size as my old p & s -  and there's plenty of tourists with bigger and better. Perhaps it's not such a good idea to shout 'Stand still you guys while I take my really important photos that will earn me shedfuls of money'???????


Actually there WAS someone else in the market with the same camera so it was probably his fault...


And I did get ONE complaint about my p & s, in a UK airport, so that's back to terrorism neuroses... I'd better check out the French equivalent of the FBI before they arrive here ... and the French really like unions (and strikes) so I guess it's time for a card...


 
sylvanworksCLOSED
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 1:57PM

Posted By e-person:

Incredible. Where can I get a copy of iStock card, so that I can get some printed myself?


 


Here
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 5:47AM
so when are u landing in Afghanistan?
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 5:53AM
Posted By sylvanworks:


Posted By e-person:

Incredible. Where can I get a copy of iStock card, so that I can get some printed myself?






Here smile



Thanks, as I am sure you understood quite clearly, I meant to ask where I could get a layout to print my own iStochphoto business cards, if that does not infringe any rules. I have even asked support, anyway. Waiting for an official answer. Even applying for exclusivity, which I don't qualify for, yet, would still not give you an endless suppy of business cards.



On the other hand, if it is not against any rules, could any fellow istocker send me a scan of theirs, even deleting the name? I am really only interested in the layout. I don't need a perfect copy, only something that looks good enough to give out in similar cases. Of course I already carry my own with me. A card from an agency might still be useful though.



Sorry to have somehow interfered with the thread.


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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 6:16AM

Hey - Great pimping thread !!


Seriously - scary story!
SoopySue
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 6:19AM
Posted By Fertnig:

Now just imagine if you 'look' foreign or are not white. I 'look' somewhat middle eastern and often during US domestic flights have people staring at me suspiciously. When shooting in even low threat situations I get hassled so I have given-up most public shooting. My favourite was when shooting an old abandoned church in a rural setting from the road. A cop car stopped and then shadowed me as I drove away.


Ummm, freedom for some!

Waaaaay back (either 1992 or 1994) my husband and I were birding in Florida. No cameras, but binoculars. We parked our car on a very wide roadside verge because we'd seen some Crested Caracaras at the side of the road. Soon afterwards a police car stopped nearby and a voice shouted to us over the speakers. I nearly died. Bit pointless as the distortion was so awful we couldn't make out what was being said. Anyway as Brits, we were so taken aback, not being used to the ways of the 'Land of the Free' we just stood there like rabbits in a headlight. Eventually this enormous policewoman came out and asked us what we were doing. "Looking for Crested Caracaras" seemed to be a perfectly accpetible answer, but we never found out why she'd thought it necessary to stop and ask us - open country, miles from any visible buildings.
nicolesy
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Posted Thu May 22, 2008 2:37PM
They mentioned this thread in last week's TWIP podcast.  Just thought you might like to know.
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Posted Thu May 22, 2008 3:22PM
Posted By sylvanworks:
jitcrunch


Yes, but . . . . (and i think I've posted this story here before)


In Cambridge (the real one, in England) there is an ancient college which owns a small piece of land in front of its ornate gateway that appears to form part of the public street, but is private property. I was photographing the gateway using a monopod when an officious person ran out ranting on about it not being allowed. YOU CAN'T USE A TRIPOD HERE, was the gist of his message. I pointed out that it wasn't a tripod. A MONOPOD IS A TRIPOD, AND ITS NOT ALLOWED. Clearly the gent had not yet gained his tripos.
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