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toddmedia
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 9:46AM

Seems to be a lot of audio contribs jumping on board here. Some will argue .... but with a modicum of inexpensive equipment ... getting audio samples approved should be easier than video or especially images. If the Inspection staff can handle the load ... I would bet that the number of audio clips will surpass photos and video combined, within a year ... 2 tops.


Unless they really start limiting it at some point. How many stadium noise, faucett drips and toilet flushes will they take? LOL


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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 9:59AM

Hi Todd, I don't suppose you're having a go at anyone, it sounds like simply a discussion topic, so to follow you up on the point you make, vectors are no different really, it doesn't take much to draw a circle or trace a silhouette. plenty of people having a go at it all the time, its really about whether you have a talent for it or not, even recording a tap dripping can be done well, or badly.


I don't disagree with your wishes for limitation, but this is what iStock is about, the best will flourish, the others will do less so. I expect the Audio Trash Can will get just as full as the photo and vector one.


To add, I've been playing instruments since I was but a wee boy, but it doesn't make me a professional musician by any standard, I respect professional musicians just as I respect professional photographers. Yet through budget limitations in the past I've also provided on occasion, little soundtracks for flash and video work I do and got paid for the pleasure of doing them. I don't expect to be able to compete with the real musicians but its great to get the opportunity of trying. The low budget soundtrack idea is going to do well I hope, and whether I stand or fall is not the point, we all should get the same opportunity and not be limited by what we start out with equipment-wise.


But I must say, being an audio inspector sounds like a really tough job, rather them than me. "oh great, another man shouting at the top of his voice"
toddmedia
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:10AM

I'm not for limitation. I was just making the point that from other threads here discussing so many out buying recorders ... the library will build fast. Its taken eight (?) years for the photo/graphic side to get to 3 million. I'll bet audio ramps up much, much quicker.


I'm not a musician or composer. I'll just add a few simple samples of natural events here.


And I agree about the inspectors. Got to be mind boggling to listen to so many clips. With imagery, they can be inspecting while listening to your fav music or even the news. Audio clips will require full attention. Not a job for me. LOL


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RonTech2000
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:33AM
If 4 million files get downloaded, who cares? If 1 million out of 4 million get downloaded, there will need to be a super-strength dollar-bin type filter to get the chaff out.  I'm sure inspections will get increasingly tough over time as well (particularly as the inspectors go insane), and a lot of newbies will fall out.
toddmedia
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:42AM

Gee. I must have worded my first post badly. I'm actually excited and happy about it all. I'm saying that iStock has become such a 'household name' that its ramping up much quicker than the earliest days of the photo side. Video has grown wildly in the last year and a half. And I think audio will outrun both video and imagery in short order as far as library size.


Looking at it from the biz side ... I'm amazed.


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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:44AM
plus, it's ne thing to go buy a recorder, it's another how to take the recording and edit it to make a clean sample, and that's what alot of the contributors who don't do music will find when they try their new field recorder and thay can isolate the sound that they recorded
toddmedia
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:50AM
Posted By inhauscreative: 

plus, it's ne thing to go buy a recorder, it's another how to take the recording and edit it to make a clean sample, and that's what alot of the contributors who don't do music will find when they try their new field recorder and thay can isolate the sound that they recorded

Yep. I'm starting with high sound level clips where I can keep the S/N down easliy. Loud sounds will be easier than trying to record a quiet bird chirpping. I'll leave those to folks with better gear than I have.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:58AM
I bet at least half of the audio clips will be farts. . . .
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 10:58AM
Posted By inhauscreative:
plus, it's ne thing to go buy a recorder, it's another how to take the recording and edit it to make a clean sample, and that's what alot of the contributors who don't do music will find when they try their new field recorder and thay can isolate the sound that they recorded


Yes, totally agree with this.


I spent two years studying Music Technology along with a compliment of Physics to understand how to lay down clean tracks in the studio and then edit them to make them the best they can be.  It's even harder doing it out in nature.  For instance, how many people know how to properly work an equalizer to knock out the sound of a lorry that drives down the road while you're recording without damaging the sound you're trying to record?


I'm frankly concerned here that the inspectors aren't going to be tough enough.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 1:15PM

Posted By RonTech2000:
If 4 million files get downloaded, who cares?


I doubt it though. I'd guess the market for sounds is 1/30% of that for photos, if lucky. I don't see many people at home buying sounds for reports or people buying sounds for powerpoint. That's why I am a bit disappointed at the price point. Lower volume should be higher price. Maybe $2-$3 for efx. etc.

I think a lot of people will be a bit disappointed when this comes online...
RonTech2000
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 1:25PM
You're right, it will no doubt be a more professional audience.  They will probably buy more per capita though, and I'm sure prices will go up after the thing gets going.  I do hope there will be an agressive culling if necessary.  You can only take the long tail so far.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 4:06PM

It's going to be interesting to see what direction istock go with this. At least as far as the music side of things go, the real pros  are cut out by the blanket ban on performing rights association membership, and I don't know how much of a limit on quality that will lead to- there's still huge numbers of hobbyists and music students etc who do their own recordings and modern technology allows this to be done reasonably well at moderately affordable prices.


  And as far as FX, well there are only so many running baths etc that you can sell, even if perfectly recorded with high end equipment, so I imagine istock are going to have to be reasonably fussy about recording quality to avoid getting swamped with the mundane. There are a lot of possible ideas for voice over stuff - I guess you can have lots of accent variation on that!


 


 I've no plans to go out and buy a recorder to tape hail on a tin roof etc (current sound effect in my household - it'd make a grand clip though!)...   Hmmmm


 
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 4:47PM
I was in radio for about 18 years as an on-air personality.  One of my daily duties was to voice and produce commercials.  I bring this up only because I would say it’s going nearly impossible to create something new.  (I will agree that a toilet flush can be done well just as it can be done badly) There are more than a few companies that specialize in this sound efx and music beds.  One station I worked for had over 25,000 different sound effects and over 10,000 music beds on CD.  If you could think of it, they had it.  I can’t ever remember need a music bed or sound effect that they didn’t have.  Could some of them have been done better?  You better believe it!  Some effect were just plain crap.  You could tell they were fake and poorly done.  On the other hand with technology being what it is today I’m sure those companies are updating their libraries with real world sound everyday.
 
The only advantage I see here is a new market for sound and efx.  This is a market I have wanted to see for YEARS!  There may be something said for “all new” and “updated daily”.  Commercial production people are freaks when it comes to music and efx.  I could only hope IS somehow markets the audio to broadcast mediums around the world.  I don’t see the cooperate world spending the millions they do on images and vectors for audio.  The need for audio clips in the cooperate world is minuscule in comparison to photos and vectors.  However, if IS is going to be successful with audio they will have to broaden their marketing.  In my opinion, the mass users of audio clips don’t know IS even exist.  That will have to change somehow.
 
So to those of you who want to record a door slamming, toilet flush, dog bark, crickets, babies crying and so on, I say go for it…Just keep in mind that it’s all been done over and over again.  But if you can somehow make yours better than what’s out there now then you’re onto something great.
 
I really hope this idea turns out to be a great one.  If IS puts half the effort into audio that they put into photos and vectors, it will be good for us all.
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Posted Fri May 16, 2008 5:14PM

 I think it is a brilliant move! I see the potential for a lot of success in new markets as well as old ones. I am sure a lot of research went into adding audio. iStock is well on the way to becoming a one stop shop for digital media.


 
atbaei
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 3:40AM
Well here comes RATING OF ART WORKS in action. A potential client looking for best quality will definitely set his/her search based on highest rated rather than best match! As a matter of fact they are already doing it! So lets pay more attention to rating art works..
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 6:32AM
It seems to me that the biggest snag with audio is the lack of a thumbnail. Files not favoured by Best Match are going to sink without trace. Nobody will plough through 1,000 audio files the way they will to find a picture.
PJ Hudson
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 6:54AM
especially if they have to download the file for preview and use their own application to play the file like you have to now. I hope they put in a flash button or something that plays the file immediately in the browser-- no downloading for preview. if they come up with very quick 10 second previews it would make it much more manageable for the people searching

(Edited on 2008-05-17 07:17:36 by PJ Hudson)
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:18PM
Posted By atbaei:
Well here comes RATING OF ART WORKS in action. A potential client looking for best quality will definitely set his/her search based on highest rated rather than best match! As a matter of fact they are already doing it! So lets pay more attention to rating art works..


RE: RATING OF ART WORKS in action:


If an image/audio/illustration whatever is excellent or very good isn't that what the rating system is designed for? And doesn't the inspectors initial rating move the best to the top regardless of contributor rating?


 


 


 
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:48PM
In my opinion audio tracks are easier to describe than video or photography . the eyes can take more information than our ears therefor it should be no problem to find  what we are looking for in audio / music . I do not forget that music becomes more personal in taste than visuals ... I think.
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Posted Tue May 27, 2008 5:49AM

To create realy good audio or music clip for advertising takes more time and skills than producing video or photo. This is not about: "yeah, i have some clips on my camera with sounds of nature, so i upload it on server". This is about songwriting, recording, mixing, mastering, moods of song, structure of song and so on.
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