All about track length

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JamersonG
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 2:59AM

Hi, a couple of questions about track length:


1) Am I right in assuming that the 30sec limit applied only to sample tracks?  What is the maximum length of a proper upload?


2) A few music libraries encourage uploading 30sec and 60sec versions of a track which are slightly altered to end exactly on those marks.  What is iStock's stance on this?


Cheers!
-Jamie
RichHobson
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:16AM

1. Yes from what i've read. 2. Not seen anything saying that, but including both in the same clip could give you an edge and the buyers a reason to buy from you.
JamersonG
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:21AM

Ah, just consulted the FAQ (duh) and the max track length is 4mins.


Good idea about an 'all in one' Rich, but I think a 4min limit will make that difficult for most tracks..


Cheers,
-Jamie
bradleym
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 5:49AM

Most pro music libraries provide


- the full track (3-4mins)


- then a 15, 30, 40, 60 sec versions too


 
apashack
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 8:12AM

It Depends on the market you plan to target.  If you are targeting radio and TV with music beds they need to be :15, :30 :60 or just slightly under that.  I was in radio and our beds were dead on 98% of the time.  I think TV uses a half second or so less?  Also music beds need to sound like they end at say :60, not just a fade out.  Production beds need to sound like production beds.  They should sound complete from start to finish and not like a edited clip.  Also sound efx like gunshots that are shorter than the required 5sec should offer a variation rather than a simple duplicate to add time.

Take this with a grain of salt.  I'm not an admin here but I did spend 18 years of my life in radio and used these types of sounds daily.
JamersonG
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 9:47AM
Well I'm glad people know what I mean.  But would iStock allow similar tracks of a different length?
thepugnatious
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 12:35PM
If you do not go crazy it would be okay to have 2-3 different versions of a track, just make sure that each track has it own unique qualities above time alone.
Posted By denwO:
Well I'm glad people know what I mean. But would iStock allow similar tracks of a different length?
sjlocke
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 1:11PM
I dunno. I think it would be valuable to offer multiple length clips of the same thing. I know that when I've bought audio, that was really useful. I think the question is, is istock aimed to be a top rf music and sound site, or a photo site that sells other stuff too.
inhauscreative
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 2:34PM
I'd say uploaded em and label  with same title and w/ the length
JamersonG
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 3:45PM
Posted By sjlocke:
I dunno. I think it would be valuable to offer multiple length clips of the same thing. I know that when I've bought audio, that was really useful. I think the question is, is istock aimed to be a top rf music and sound site, or a photo site that sells other stuff too

Heh.  Good question, but I have a feeling iStock will do their best in promoting this.  I know of stock music sites that added stock images too and failed spectacularly, but iStock is.. different somehow.  Everyone seems switched on.  EVerything is buzzing
FuzzMartin
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:07PM
Posted By thepugnatious:
If you do not go crazy it would be okay to have 2-3 different versions of a track, just make sure that each track has it own unique qualities above time alone.

Posted By denwO:
Well I'm glad people know what I mean. But would iStock allow similar tracks of a different length?



I don't think they need any unique qualities. They should each be uploaded as "Track Name (Full)," "Track Name (:15)," "Track Name (:30)," and "Track Name (:60). Even if they are loopable, when I'm up against a deadline, I'm going to buy a cut in the length I need, rather than have to dick around stretching or shrinking a cut to fit my spot.


Just make sure that your tracks are 59.5, 29.5, and 14.5 seconds and not "just kinda close." TV and radio spots need to be exact or they're pretty much useless. Like the photo side, we're selling what the client needs and not necessarily what's artsy. (though it definitely can be artsy and :29.5 seconds)
inhauscreative
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:10PM
thanks for that info Fuzz
Decard
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Posted Sat May 17, 2008 4:38PM

Back in the 70´s & mid 80´s  the length over 4 minutes belonged only to rock ,fusion ,jazz & experimental Bands /composers  but since MTV came to live & even before that the so called commercial radio stations only limit themselves to 3 minutes .. tops....... today you are lucky if you find tracks over the 3 minutes limit .remember time is money & the networks used well ..............PS do you remember when we recorded stuff from the radio to cassette ?...........we had to be ready to stop the recording cos either commercials or Dj´s will come on before the song was way over .


& if the target is commercials sometimes or most of the time 5 seconds is way too long ; (
slobo
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Posted Sun May 18, 2008 8:02PM
How often you guys (users) stretch/shrink to fit into desirable length? And what's the limit you don't want to exceed?
FuzzMartin
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Posted Sun May 18, 2008 9:52PM
Posted By slobo:
How often you guys (users) stretch/shrink to fit into desirable length? And what's the limit you don't want to exceed?


I'm normally willing to stretch or shrink 3% (.9 seconds on a :30 and 1.8 seconds on a :60). In Adobe Audition, using the stretch feature at 103% or 97% is usually the threshold at which it starts sounding "effected." I'd rather a cut be shorter than :30 (ideally 29.5) than longer.


Honestly, we use a really good library (Killer Tracks/Not Just Jingles/New York Beats) that keeps the cuts to nearly a perfect length. I never have to worry about stretching or shrinking my music beds. Now, if I could only get the account executives to keep their copy length under control and on deadline, I'd never have to hear my production director whining, either.
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