PHOTO: What is wrong with the quality of my grass?

Displaying 1 to 12 of 12 matches.
lostinbids
Member is a Gold contributor and has 10,000 - 24,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Video downloadsExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto Videographer
Posted Wed May 28, 2008 3:32PM

I am really hoping someone can help here.


I have just received a second rejection for an image.


The first time it was rejected for noise. To be honest I really struggled to see the noise in this image at 200%, I am missing something obvious?


file_thumbview_approve 


Link to full size http://a1.vox.com/6a00e398be8445000400fa96792da90002-pi


The second rejection was for over filtered and lighting.  I am wondering if I really understand what over filtered means because when looking at the training manual I certainly haven't done anything like the examples shown there. As for lighting well i can not see any flat/dull colors, blown-out highlights, harsh reflection, shadows or lens flares, however again I may be getting this wrong too. 


file_thumbview_approve 


Link to full size http://a0.vox.com/6a00e398be8445000400fa96792d980002-pi


Here is the raw file for comparrison


/6a00e398be8445000400fad68b5fd60005-pi


And the link to the full size one http://a0.vox.com/6a00e398be8445000400fae8bdc0b8000b-pi


I am honestly stuck as to what to do. I would be really greatful for guidance here as I like this image. I am obviously doing something wrong somewhere as I struggle to get anything that is not isolated on white accepted.  I am starting to panic as i know i will eventually run out of shoes, cosmetics, tools etc to shoot!


thank you in advance jo
AsherDB
Member is a Silver contributor and has 2,500 - 9,999 Photo downloadsExclusive
Posted Wed May 28, 2008 4:15PM
The noise filtering you have used has given a strange look to the out of focus stems.

The sky in the un-filtered image is not very noisy but I think it is too noisy for an image that is predominantly sky.

If you need noise filtering, try Neat Image.
jsnover
Member is a Diamond contributor and has 25,000 - 199,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Flash downloadsMember is a Bronze contributor and has 250 - 2,499 Illustration downloads
Posted Wed May 28, 2008 4:38PM

These changes would be best done on a 16 bit image derived from a RAW file, but this is the general idea of what I think is needed:


TNTallGrass-edited 


I did use noise ninja to smooth out the sky a bit, but even so, it's quite blotchy - not sure if that's from edits in the RAW converter or the camera. The overall scene is a bit dark, low contrast and the sky's a bit dull. A  curves adjustment layer set to screen mode, with low opacity, lightens the whole scene up. Boost the blue and cyan in the sky selectively (layer mask) with another curves layer. The greens on the grass are muddy - bosted greens and yellows and cyans there with another masked curves adjustment layer.


This is a quickie, so the masks aren't perfect, but you get the idea, I hope.
lostinbids
Member is a Gold contributor and has 10,000 - 24,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Video downloadsExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto Videographer
Posted Wed May 28, 2008 5:31PM

Hi guysthanks for the responses. 


For my noise reduction i used colour selector tool in ps as per nicolas' technique - go to photoshop, select everything that's blue, copy& paste (to create a new layer), set layer-mode to "luminosity", blur that layer (6-7px gaussian blur), reselect, invert selection, hit backspace (or create a layer mask)... voilà, the noise is gone. However I will have a look at Neat Image or Noise Ninja.


jsnover - is that the kind of sky colour that istock is looking for? I think if I had changed the colours that much I would of been worried about an over filtered rejection (the irony). However you have a lot more expirience than me at this.


I used Capture NX as the converter. Certainly the sky was not perfect but then how many days of the year is the sky perfect in the uk.


You mentioned that the overall scene is a bit dark... Do you think the shot was underexpossed? I try to minimise any in camera processing, would this be the reason for it looking a bit dark etc?
Susan_Stewart
Member is a Silver contributor and has 2,500 - 9,999 Photo downloadsMember is a Bronze contributor and has 250 - 2,499 Illustration downloadsExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto IllustratorMember has had a File Of The Week
Posted Wed May 28, 2008 5:49PM
The shot doesn't look underprocessed, so much as underexposed - if you look at the histogram there's a world of nothing at the right hand side of it. Bringing up the exposure that much in post processing to get it close to acceptable is going to bring up noise levels and make the sky  look a lot worse. It's one of thsoe shots where checking the histogram after you take it and then adding some positive exposure compensation when you see it and taking another shot would be well worth while. 
lostinbids
Member is a Gold contributor and has 10,000 - 24,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Video downloadsExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto Videographer
Posted Thu May 29, 2008 1:58AM

Thanks Susan - I did try over exposing it when I took the shot but I didn't overly like the result. I guess the irony is that the adjustments made have moved the historgram to the right.


I feel this is a situation where what I was looking for is not the same as what the inspectors are looking for. I got the shot I wanted - grass in the golden light of a desending sun against a blue sky (that is at least what I see on my monitor - is it time to check the monitor or my eyes?).  I am sure with time I will understand what is required.


thanks jo
OwenPrice
Member is a Gold contributor and has 10,000 - 24,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Video downloadsMember is an InspectorExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto VideographerThis member can always be counted on to be amongst the last iStockers standing in the wee hours whenever or wherever we gather. So follow him and be assured of a good time.Member has had a File Of The Week.
Posted Thu May 29, 2008 7:36AM
/
/I can also see a sensor spot on the right of the sky.


 


ETA I have just got a new 24" High Resolution monitor and it really helps in finding problems.


 


 

(Edited on 2008-05-29 07:46:05 by OwenPrice)
lostinbids
Member is a Gold contributor and has 10,000 - 24,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Video downloadsExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto Videographer
Posted Fri May 30, 2008 11:55AM

Hi Owen


Thanks for your input. I think I got the sensor spot in the uploaded ones.


I am still stuggling with what to do with this image. Has any one else go any ideas?


Regards jo
sakaasa
Member is a Silver contributor and has 2,500 - 9,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Flash downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Illustration downloadsExclusiveMember has had a submission accepted to the Designer Spotlight
Posted Fri May 30, 2008 12:04PM
Well, darn it! Jo, I thought you were asking about the grass you smoke.... (eta, not you as in you)


If you want, you can send the NEF to me and I'll return it to you with the steps I do in CNX. Easier to show you some ideas and suggestions that way. ( sharon at jesa.no )

(Edited on 2008-05-30 12:07:33 by sakaasa)
lostinbids
Member is a Gold contributor and has 10,000 - 24,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Video downloadsExclusiveExclusive iStockphoto Videographer
Posted Fri May 30, 2008 12:29PM
Posted By sakaasa:
Well, darn it! Jo, I thought you were asking about the grass you smoke.... (eta, not you as in you) biggrin


If you want, you can send the NEF to me and I'll return it to you with the steps I do in CNX. Easier to show you some ideas and suggestions that way.

(Edited on 2008-05-30 12:07:33 by sakaasa)




Hi Sharon


Thank you, the file is on its way.


Regards Jo

(Edited on 2008-05-30 12:32:07 by lostinbids)
sakaasa
Member is a Silver contributor and has 2,500 - 9,999 Photo downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Flash downloadsMember is a contributor and has less than 250 Illustration downloadsExclusiveMember has had a submission accepted to the Designer Spotlight
Posted Sat May 31, 2008 1:50AM

Sent your grass in return, Jo.


 
hatman12
Member is a Diamond contributor and has 25,000 - 199,999 Photo downloadsExclusiveRecognizing those who reach the 100,000 download mark
Posted Sat May 31, 2008 4:33PM
Unfortunately the world is awash with pictures of grass swaying in the wind against a blue sky.  To be accepted (and to actually sell), your picture has to be exceptional which sadly this one is not.  Sorry.
This thread has been locked.
Displaying 1 to 12 of 12 matches.
Not a member?Join