Posted Fri Jan 9, 2009 11:39AM
Original announcement thread:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951
On 2008-12-09 15:09:33, bitter wrote:
Photographers love to hate Best Match, snickering at its name, BM– and discussing it at length in the shadows of forums everywhere. We know. The mystery of how BM functions is being analyzed regularly by everyone.
With BM, we have one, clear goal: to put the best content in front of our clients. We have finite slots on the first page and tens-of-thousands of files vying for those spots. We understand we won't make every artist happy, but we do our best to be fair when slotting files into BM search results.
A long time ago we developed an algorithm to rank keywords on each file. Since then, we've been tracking data for every single file on iStock. Guess what? It works. Starting in mid-January we will start applying these results to BM searches. For clients it will mean more accurate, more meaningful and more relevant results. For artists it means a massive shift. The results for everyone, are going to be very, very different.
This development is part of a multi-year strategy that we all undertook, starting with the CV (Controlled Vocabulary) that we took (and improved) from Getty Images, nearly three years ago. For those who are unfamiliar with the history, this is the technology that allows us to translate keywords in multiple languages automatically. Next, we all went through a year of disambiguation. You remember if you were here in 2007, the painful steps of going through each file and clarifying and exacting the keywords for every file in your portfolio. Most recently we began our ZTS (Zero Tolerance Spam) program, which is an ongoing initiative to ensure that there are no irrelevant terms or keywords in every file. It hasn't been easy and we understand the great amount of work everyone has endured to make our search results the best they can be. The quality of results has vastly improved since 2006 when we began this endeavor.
With the launch of our new keyword ranking system the culmination of years of work by thousands of people will come to fruition, providing iStock clients with what we think will be the most impressive and most exact search results, for community created media, found anywhere on the planet. In January when the new Best Match launches, it will finally live up to its name and accurately give clients the Best Match for their search terms. We will begin pulling leavers and turning dials to slowly turn up ranking in BM starting next week!
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Clarifying comments:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951&messageid=1224474
Posted By rogermexico:
Posted By kelvinjay:
Posted By kkthompson:
On 2008-12-09 15:09:33, bitter wrote:
For artists it means a massive shift. The results for everyone, are going to be very, very different.
Given that massive changes to the BM are one of the main complaints in any BM thread, it will certainly be interesting to see how this one pans out. I guess we'll just have to wait & see...
Yeah, I know it's kind of a contradictory sounding message, but the goal is to have one last big shake so that we can move to something more stable. By blending this ranked keyword data into the algorithm, it should make it on the whole more stable. In the past we've been seeing really wild swings whenever the guys have gone into tweak the mix - this is aimed at alleviating those swings and giving us something more reliable.
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Clarifying comments:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951&messageid=1225298
Posted By kkthompson:
Posted By dhanford:
Does the BM remain as it is now until mid Jaunary?
No. There will be slow & steady modifications as we cruise along.
Posted By Box5:
I wouldn't be so sure. I get the impression that the keyword relevance scoring and such is happening on the back end.
Oh hell, I wanted to make you all sort every keyword for every file... [ducks] but I'd be an old man before it happened. Doing it algorithmically in the back-end was the next best thing. Can you imagine the beat-down in the forums if we'd have asked to do that? I shudder to think.
How does it work? Not really gonna give to many details, as we're pretty tired of people trying to game the system. You aren't necessarily penalized for bad keywords: they just don't return results.
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Clarifying comments:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951&messageid=1226303
Posted By bitter:
Posted By mikemcd:
I don't know better than anyone else what this new BM shift will do to our sales, but let's take a quick look back at the original message here:
"With BM, we have one, clear goal: to put the best content in front of our clients. We have finite slots on the first page and tens-of-thousands of files vying for those spots."
As always, BM changes are done with the buyers in mind, rightfully so. I think istock is making the right move here, but that often means that many of us end up disappointed with the result. BM changes have been and will remain to be done for the buyers, not for us.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that this works out positively for everyone. But as a contributor I'm not singing istock's praises for this move and giving them the standing ovation, and I'm baffled as to why anyone else is. Some of the same people complaining about slow sales since the last BM change are now here saying "Yay, BM change!" Sure it's possible that things could get better for those who suffered because of the last change. But there's an equal chance that things will take another dive for those same people after this one.
Fingers crossed, I am cautiously optimistic about this. If it works out, great. But if it doesn't, I won't be back here in the forums next month with the same group who will be scratching their heads saying "What happened to my sales?," as if no one could see that potential result coming.
I'm happy you noticed how carefully I chose my words. We are not promising everyone will like the new BM, nor promising increased royalties to anyone or group in particular. Our goal is to improve the search experience for clients. That's all. We have to assume that the theory of well keyworded files being found and purchased more often than poorly keyworded files is true in this endeavor.
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Related clarifying comment about "more like this" link:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=81248&messageid=1228933
Posted By kkthompson:
Posted By arlindo71:
Well, since istock seems to be keeping track of wich keywords are used to find an image, maybe they could use the three most used keywords for each image in the "more like this" search instead of simply the first three...
Yes, this will happen in the New Year, so don't do anything to your keywords.
All new Best Match related threads will be redirected here, so please refrain from starting more. Thanks.
(Edited on 2009-01-10 05:06:31 by sylvanworks)
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951
On 2008-12-09 15:09:33, bitter wrote:
Photographers love to hate Best Match, snickering at its name, BM– and discussing it at length in the shadows of forums everywhere. We know. The mystery of how BM functions is being analyzed regularly by everyone.
With BM, we have one, clear goal: to put the best content in front of our clients. We have finite slots on the first page and tens-of-thousands of files vying for those spots. We understand we won't make every artist happy, but we do our best to be fair when slotting files into BM search results.
A long time ago we developed an algorithm to rank keywords on each file. Since then, we've been tracking data for every single file on iStock. Guess what? It works. Starting in mid-January we will start applying these results to BM searches. For clients it will mean more accurate, more meaningful and more relevant results. For artists it means a massive shift. The results for everyone, are going to be very, very different.
This development is part of a multi-year strategy that we all undertook, starting with the CV (Controlled Vocabulary) that we took (and improved) from Getty Images, nearly three years ago. For those who are unfamiliar with the history, this is the technology that allows us to translate keywords in multiple languages automatically. Next, we all went through a year of disambiguation. You remember if you were here in 2007, the painful steps of going through each file and clarifying and exacting the keywords for every file in your portfolio. Most recently we began our ZTS (Zero Tolerance Spam) program, which is an ongoing initiative to ensure that there are no irrelevant terms or keywords in every file. It hasn't been easy and we understand the great amount of work everyone has endured to make our search results the best they can be. The quality of results has vastly improved since 2006 when we began this endeavor.
With the launch of our new keyword ranking system the culmination of years of work by thousands of people will come to fruition, providing iStock clients with what we think will be the most impressive and most exact search results, for community created media, found anywhere on the planet. In January when the new Best Match launches, it will finally live up to its name and accurately give clients the Best Match for their search terms. We will begin pulling leavers and turning dials to slowly turn up ranking in BM starting next week!
------------------
Clarifying comments:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951&messageid=1224474
Posted By rogermexico:
Posted By kelvinjay:
Posted By kkthompson:
On 2008-12-09 15:09:33, bitter wrote:
For artists it means a massive shift. The results for everyone, are going to be very, very different.
Given that massive changes to the BM are one of the main complaints in any BM thread, it will certainly be interesting to see how this one pans out. I guess we'll just have to wait & see...
Yeah, I know it's kind of a contradictory sounding message, but the goal is to have one last big shake so that we can move to something more stable. By blending this ranked keyword data into the algorithm, it should make it on the whole more stable. In the past we've been seeing really wild swings whenever the guys have gone into tweak the mix - this is aimed at alleviating those swings and giving us something more reliable.
------------------
Clarifying comments:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951&messageid=1225298
Posted By kkthompson:
Posted By dhanford:
Does the BM remain as it is now until mid Jaunary?
No. There will be slow & steady modifications as we cruise along.
Posted By Box5:
Posted By M3SH:
I guess the implications are that one needs to resort the keywods on each file to make sure the most relevant come first, with decreasing relevance further down the list.
I guess the implications are that one needs to resort the keywods on each file to make sure the most relevant come first, with decreasing relevance further down the list.
I wouldn't be so sure. I get the impression that the keyword relevance scoring and such is happening on the back end.
Oh hell, I wanted to make you all sort every keyword for every file... [ducks] but I'd be an old man before it happened. Doing it algorithmically in the back-end was the next best thing. Can you imagine the beat-down in the forums if we'd have asked to do that? I shudder to think.
How does it work? Not really gonna give to many details, as we're pretty tired of people trying to game the system. You aren't necessarily penalized for bad keywords: they just don't return results.
------------------
Clarifying comments:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=80951&messageid=1226303
Posted By bitter:
Posted By mikemcd:
I don't know better than anyone else what this new BM shift will do to our sales, but let's take a quick look back at the original message here:
"With BM, we have one, clear goal: to put the best content in front of our clients. We have finite slots on the first page and tens-of-thousands of files vying for those spots."
As always, BM changes are done with the buyers in mind, rightfully so. I think istock is making the right move here, but that often means that many of us end up disappointed with the result. BM changes have been and will remain to be done for the buyers, not for us.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that this works out positively for everyone. But as a contributor I'm not singing istock's praises for this move and giving them the standing ovation, and I'm baffled as to why anyone else is. Some of the same people complaining about slow sales since the last BM change are now here saying "Yay, BM change!" Sure it's possible that things could get better for those who suffered because of the last change. But there's an equal chance that things will take another dive for those same people after this one.
Fingers crossed, I am cautiously optimistic about this. If it works out, great. But if it doesn't, I won't be back here in the forums next month with the same group who will be scratching their heads saying "What happened to my sales?," as if no one could see that potential result coming.
I'm happy you noticed how carefully I chose my words. We are not promising everyone will like the new BM, nor promising increased royalties to anyone or group in particular. Our goal is to improve the search experience for clients. That's all. We have to assume that the theory of well keyworded files being found and purchased more often than poorly keyworded files is true in this endeavor.
------------------
Related clarifying comment about "more like this" link:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=81248&messageid=1228933
Posted By kkthompson:
Posted By arlindo71:
Well, since istock seems to be keeping track of wich keywords are used to find an image, maybe they could use the three most used keywords for each image in the "more like this" search instead of simply the first three...
Yes, this will happen in the New Year, so don't do anything to your keywords.
All new Best Match related threads will be redirected here, so please refrain from starting more. Thanks.
(Edited on 2009-01-10 05:06:31 by sylvanworks)

